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Old 05-20-11, 12:36 PM   #1
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Default GT 430/520 or GTX 560 Ti?

I know they're entirely different cards, but I doubt the 430 will be good enough for the occasional gaming I want to do.*
I know about the 520, but by all accounts it's actually weaker than the 430 for gaming, & no better when it come to VA.
It is however a fair bit more power efficient....
The 560 would be just a power efficient as the 430, when only being used for VA right?

Finally, despite being lower power, cards like the 430** don't seem to be available in truly single-slot form-factors, even w/after-market air or water cooling solutions!
That was the last time I checked, admittedly it has been a few months now...

I'd prefer a single-slot WC solution over a single-slot air cooling one, but it seems WC vendors only like to focus on mid to high-end cards.
At least last time I checked....
That being the case, there is single-slot WC solution's for the GTX 560 Ti, which makes it even more compelling!

So just wondering what everyone reckons I should go far.
Are you aware of cooling solution's for the 430/520 that I'm not aware of?
Perhaps you feel the 520 is as good as the 430 for gaming, & equal or better for VA?
Everything I've read about the two suggests otherwise...
Based on what I've read/know, I'm leaning mostly towards GTX560Ti.
I read about the GTX560, it doesn't seem like a compelling buy (yet) when carefully compared to the Ti.

*I'm a very light PC gamer, but when I do play, I want the option of playing the most recent/demanding games.
**not so sure about 520, haven't bothered investigating heavily because it's gaming is poorer than 430 (which is already avg).
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Old 05-20-11, 12:45 PM   #2
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Default Re: GT 430/520 or GTX 560 Ti?

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*I'm a very light PC gamer, but when I do play, I want the option of playing the most recent/demanding games.
If you budget is not constrained just go for GTX 560 Ti - this is the only card which meets this particular demand of yours.
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Old 05-20-11, 12:50 PM   #3
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Default Re: GT 430/520 or GTX 560 Ti?

That's a good point mate, thanks...
But do you know the answers to any of my specific questions?

Thank-you.
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Old 05-20-11, 01:53 PM   #4
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You know, I've never bothered googling about my plasma until now.
It's one that I won from my local shopping centre about 12mths ago.

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=pd...w=1280&bih=832
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum....cfm?t=1673556

If the poster in the thread above's correct...
It looks like it might not really have HD resolution
*EDIT*
Just looking at the manual & the specs are:

42" diagonal
16:9
1024(H)x768(V)
16.77million
1500cd/m
10000:1 (typical)
PAL
HDMI connectors x2
VGA input X1
PC Audio input x1
Video input x2
S-Video input x1
YPbPr input x2
USB x1

OMFG... RIPPED OFF!!
Well, being such low resolution, at least the 430 might still be an option.
Sigh....

Assuming I do eventually get a much better 42" screen (maybe slightly smaller)
I assume your suggestion would then be an unequivocal: GTX 560 Ti?

Do you know the answers to any of the specific questions in my OP?
Thank-you.
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Old 05-21-11, 12:53 AM   #5
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Default Re: GT 430/520 or GTX 560 Ti?

These are the prior Qns/statements I've not yet had direct responses to:

(1)
The 560 would be just a power efficient as the 520, when only being used for VA right?

(2)
Finally, despite being lower power, cards like the 430 don't seem to be available in truly single-slot form-factors, even w/after-market air or water cooling solutions!
That was the last time I checked, admittedly it has been a few months now...


(3)
I'd prefer a single-slot WC solution over a single-slot air cooling one, but it seems WC vendors only like to focus on mid to high-end cards.
At least last time I checked....


(4) <--same as (2) really
Are you aware of cooling solution's for the 430/520 that I'm not aware of?

(5)
Perhaps you feel the 520 is as good as the 430 for gaming, & equal or better for VA?

(6)
Assuming I do eventually get a truly HD 42" screen (maybe slightly smaller)
I assume your suggestion would be an unequivocal: GTX 560/Ti?


(7)
Last time I looked closely at TV display technologies (admittedly some time ago)...
Plasma was a favourite amongst some videophiles for it's qualities, power consumption was not one of those qualities.


(8)
I was not aware Plasma is still limited to non-HD resolutions, are you sure?
I'm surprised by that & if it's true, then I guess I'll have to rule-it-out as the basis for my next screen?!


(9)
Is a 200-400Hz OLED/3d LCD inferior or equal to a Plasma in some ways, or is it better in every single way?

(10)
Do you know of any excellent/in-depth comparative analysis between the two (& other) display techs?

(11)
Any suggestions for specific makes/models? (I love what Samsung's been doing in recent years)
I'd prefer to stay @42", but if that means cost is going be much more than $1k (in order to maintain best IQ), then I'm prepared to go sub-42".


Answers or thoughts on any are very much appreciated, thank-you!
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Old 05-21-11, 06:04 AM   #6
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These look like the only TV's on the Australian Samsung site that look even remotely affordable:
http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/t...XY&view_gb=ALL

Their RRP is still waaay more than my $500 limit...
But they're still relatively cheap, compared to some of the other 40" (or more) screens on that site.
Think I'll have to lift to a $1k minimum, Geezus!
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Old 05-21-11, 07:16 AM   #7
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1) Yes.

2) It's not a question it's a statement.

3) You can install WC on pretty much any GeForce GPU. However cards like GT520 can go fine with a passive cooling.

4) Google is your best friend.

5) Again google for their results. The best sites with benchmarks are techpowerup.com and anandtech.com

6) Yes.

7) LED powered displays nowadays are the preferred solution - they have excellent contrast ratios and only 10-25% power consumption of plasma displays.

8) I actively discourage you from buying Plasma. Plasma display come in Full HD resolutions as well.

9) I'm in favour for LED displays, OLED is nowhere near affordable and available.

10) Google is your best friend. I simply don't have enough experience.

11) No idea, but Samsung displays are known for their superior quality. My parents own a Samsung TV set, alas it's an old LCD display but I love it.

BTW if 44dB under load is not too loud for you, have a look at Sparkle Calibre X560.
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Old 05-21-11, 10:06 AM   #8
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2) It's not a question it's a statement.
Which is why I said in my last post...
These are the prior Qns/statements I've not yet had direct responses to:

Despite being lower-end, the 430 doesn't seem to be available in truly single-slot form-factors.
Even with after-market air or water cooling solutions!
That was the last time I checked, admittedly it has been a few months now.


Any experience/knowledge in this area?

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3) You can install WC on pretty much any GeForce GPU.
But it seems WC vendors only like to focus on mid to high-end cards.
At least last time I checked....
Do you know otherwise?

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5) Again google for their results. The best sites with benchmarks are techpowerup.com and anandtech.com
I already have, which is why I made the claims I did in my OP WRT 520 Vs 430.
I'm just waning to see if others agree, based on what they've read.

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8) I actively discourage you from buying Plasma. Plasma display come in Full HD resolutions as well.
Don't plasmas still have some attributes, which make them good for certain uses?
I will focus more on LED's though...

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9) I'm in favour for LED displays, OLED is nowhere near affordable and available.
200-400Hz OLED LCD = 200-400Hz LED LCD, but yes I'll focus on LED's, thanks!

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BTW if 44dB under load is not too loud for you, have a look at Sparkle Calibre X560.
I don't mind how good/bad the cooling system is that comes w/a 560 Ti, as it'll be added to my loop.
Cheapest one I can find (so long as it's not worse than the reference design) is all that matters I imagine.

Different matter for the GT430, as I don't believe there's any WB's for them.
So the single-slot air cooling that comes with it, would have to be excellent.
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Old 05-28-11, 02:04 PM   #9
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Old 05-29-11, 09:29 AM   #10
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Default Re: GT 430/520 or GTX 560 Ti?

Feed-back from this thread has long since helped me determine 560 Ti without question.
Since moved on to TV display tech discussion in the aforementioned thread.
I'll start some dedicated threads on that subject matter soon...
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