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Old 08-04-04, 11:22 PM   #1
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Default Doom 3 alpha looks better than final?

I know I know the leaked e3 mess does in no way represent the final game at all. And I know I can't post screenies of ye old 2002 alpha but do some of you think that the alpha looked better graphically than the final?
Yes it's framerate was hellish and it was really really buggy, but it looked to me that more stencil shadows were being applied, and that they moved more with the light. Remember the bathroom scene in the alpha where the monster is eating the zombie guys stomach out? the shadows swayed a lot on that scene and were really impressive. For some reason in the final game the shadows don't seem to sway as much...they "seem" more static to me for some reason. I'm only in the first couple level's of the Final Game so I don't know if this kind of scene still happens.
I noticed in the alpha that on the doomguy's head stencil shadows were on his whole face, but in the final I guess Carmack decided to simply use a normal map shadowing technique for skin. It does look a lot smoother I suppose.
I wish I could post side by side screenshots to illustrate my point but I won't. And even if I did I don't even have a point since the old demo was leaked and I should never see it anyway.
I haven't heard anyone talk about this since the game was released, and maybe I'm a fool for posting all this, but as a geek it is interesting to compare the Before and After of the game's shadowing techniques as it evolved.
Do those with the alpha think that it looks higher quality than the final?
Do you like the techniques of the final are better. (I like the 60-100fps myself lol)
Anyway's a wierd thread.
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Old 08-04-04, 11:28 PM   #2
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This is a ss I took from the alpha:

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Old 08-04-04, 11:32 PM   #3
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Strange .. cuz my friend thinks the same way !

actually that makes me start thinking about it seriously & maybe install the alpha again & check !
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Old 08-04-04, 11:33 PM   #4
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This is a ss I took from the alpha:

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My bet is that the normal maps on the alpha are higher.
Doesn't matter I guess cuz the game still rocks. It must've just been a development choice.
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Old 08-04-04, 11:57 PM   #5
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ok I can confirm one big instance where the alpha looks better than the final. In the apha character's stencil shadows are shown on the themselves. Say if a character's arm in in the way of the light then the shadow is cast onto his body.
In the final this is not the case. A character's shadows cannot be cast on themselves.
Am I the only one that thinks some of the shadows in the final may be static?
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ok I can confirm one big instance where the alpha looks better than the final. In the apha character's stencil shadows are shown on the themselves. Say if a character's arm in in the way of the light then the shadow is cast onto his body.
In the final this is not the case. A character's shadows cannot be cast on themselves.
Am I the only one that thinks some of the shadows in the final may be static?
That can be turned on in the final doom 3 version : )
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Old 08-05-04, 12:01 AM   #7
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That can be turned on in the final doom 3 version : )
oooh tell me this!! PLEASE!
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Old 08-05-04, 01:22 AM   #8
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Yes, self-shadowing seems to be disabled by default in the full version, however from what I hear there is a way to turn it on. If I'm not mistaken there was a user-made "ultra-high quality mode" setting that changed a few things, including enabling self-shadowing.

Also I noticed in the alpha that there were a few rendering anomalies with the self shadowing system (like the shadow seemed "broken" on a few of the polygons), perhaps this is why it was disabled in the full version?
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all you need to do is oped CFG file and find selfshadow or playershadow 0 -> 1 im at work can't check , but i did it and have my own shadow at one point i got scared of my own shadow
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1 more alpha shot...
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To me the alpha looks better than the final. The alpha was crammed with visual effects and high detail textures. I have not played the final in all honesty but judging from the screenshots on this site and on a few reviews I have been reading it seems to have lost a bit of detail.. which sucks.
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Here is a low rez texture in retail on ultra quality.






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