Microsoft BUILD - Windows 8 Unveiling - Page 6

**Rakeesh** · 09-16-11, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean_W

Linux never really got started on the desktop

This is one of the most stupid things you've ever said. Of course it did. Several attempts were made several times. A few attempts I can recall offhand aimed at retail channels would be corel, mandrake, redhat, suse, and although ubuntu made no retail channel attempts, it IS trying to be a desktop OS.

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Originally Posted by Sean_W

Microsoft make their primary OS part of touch screens, so it's a nice way for them to gain control over that platform, it's what they have always done, with hardly an competition. If you look at platforms that they actually have competition, they nowhere near dominate it like they desktop.

Yeah, they do have competition on the desktop, just the competition fails miserably. OS/2 sucked balls, so Windows quickly overcame it. Mac OS has been around for ages, and they've never matched Windows. BeOS was supposed to be the Windows killer and it barely made it anywhere. Let's not forget how many attempts various Linux distros have made, hell as I recall every year since 2001 has been "The Year for Linux on the Desktop."

Microsoft hasn't put much effort into the mobile space until very recently. They are sitting right now about where Android was in 2009. Some growth is seen, but nothing spectacular yet. They're mostly just taking users away from iOS, WebOS, and BlackBerry right now though, but not Android.

Will Microsoft do well in the mobile space? That remains to be seen, but your idea that they somehow shouldn't even try is just stupid. If anything, I'd say you're afraid to see them try because you're afraid they might succeed.

**Rakeesh** · 09-16-11, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by slaWter

By the looks of it, your right.

Sharing the same code base over different platforms is smart and makes sense. iOS is based on OS X. Android runs on different platforms and so on.

Sharing the same UI however is simply put a horrible idea. The first tablets used the normal desktop interface, that was a failure. Give it a great touch interface like Apple and Google did and they're a huge success!
Now their trying to force the tablet UI on the PC. It's bound to fail. There has to be an option for a classic desktop interface.

What are you talking about? That is EXACTLY what they're doing. Even the mobile versions of Windows 8 will have available a desktop that looks just like Windows 7.

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Originally Posted by bacon12

Or you and everyone else can keep spreading foolishness. Windows 8 was demoed on 4 year old netbook with a 1st gen atom with a gig of ram. It used about 360mb and had only 30 some processes.

This is actually what I find interesting about Windows 8. They demonstrate that it will have all of the same features as Windows 7, plus some extras, while using less hard disk space and less RAM.

They made those optimizations for the express purpose of making it a more viable mobile OS, and I think that is a good thing since the OS will perform even better on high end systems.

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Originally Posted by nekrosoft13

integration is fine, but forcing (yes forcing) a failing UI unto people is just stupid, and I really hope this will turn out worse for MS then windows ME.

OS boots into metro, then you have to click on desktop to go back to normal UI, that is forcing.

I would imagine that could be easily changed; you don't even have to use explorer as the default UI in windows 7. Hell, some versions of 2008 R2 (the enterprise edition of windows 7) don't even include explorer by default.

Sean_W · 09-16-11, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rakeesh

This is one of the most stupid things you've ever said. Of course it did. Several attempts were made several times. A few attempts I can recall offhand aimed at retail channels would be corel, mandrake, redhat, suse, and although ubuntu made no retail channel attempts, it IS trying to be a desktop OS.

From an actual market share point of view, no, Linux never really got seriously started in the desktop market because it's not sold on the shelves or properly shipped via OEMs. DELL did a half job. HP, well meh. The desktop is pretty pointless for Linux anyway, Redhat knew that years ago when they left the desktop distro(they still are a big contributor to the Linux desktop) and now make millions in server and support.

Redhat are the first Linux product company to make 1 billion.

ElL33t · 09-16-11, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rakeesh

What are you talking about? That is EXACTLY what they're doing. Even the mobile versions of Windows 8 will have available a desktop that looks just like Windows 7.

This is actually what I find interesting about Windows 8. They demonstrate that it will have all of the same features as Windows 7, plus some extras, while using less hard disk space and less RAM.

They made those optimizations for the express purpose of making it a more viable mobile OS, and I think that is a good thing since the OS will perform even better on high end systems.

I would imagine that could be easily changed; you don't even have to use explorer as the default UI in windows 7.

I welcome new ideas even if they don't work. It leads to new products out of failed products. I am not saying windows 8 will fail. I have no idea at this point. As it stands right now I did not like the preview build I played with. I know it is not a real good product to compare to the final. It may be that it was completely new to me and I didn't know my way around it. I hold an open mind though because I can see what it is capable of.

Most PC people are a bunch of Archie Bunkers.

**Rakeesh** · 09-16-11, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean_W

From an actual market share point of view, no, Linux never really got seriously started in the desktop market because it's not sold on the shelves or properly shipped via OEMs.

Dude, retail. Does the word retail mean anything to you? Yes, it's been on store shelves. Many, many times in fact, between 1998 and 2005. Eventually they stopped because it didn't sell sh*t.

Not to mention, several different companies bundled Linux with PC's. Unlike you, I was around to remember Corel Linux, Lindows/Linspire, Suse, Redhat (yes, the vanilla desktop version.) Hell, fry's electronics used to sell PC's that had Linux preinstalled.

Hell, Corel Linux and Lindows were all about nothing BUT end users in the desktop space.

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Originally Posted by Sean_W

DELL did a half job. HP, well meh. The desktop is pretty pointless for Linux anyway, Redhat knew that years ago when they left the desktop distro(they still are a big contributor to the Linux desktop) and now make millions in server and support.

Redhat are the first Linux product company to make 1 billion.

Right, so if the desktop is pretty pointless for linux anyways, then why not just stick to something that has a point? E.g. Windows.

ElL33t · 09-16-11, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rakeesh

Dude, retail. Does the word retail mean anything to you? Yes, it's been on store shelves. Many, many times in fact, between 1998 and 2005. Eventually they stopped because it didn't sell sh*t.

Not to mention, several different companies bundled Linux with PC's. Unlike you, I was around to remember Corel Linux, Lindows/Linspire, Suse, Redhat (yes, the vanilla desktop version.) Hell, fry's electronics used to sell PC's that had Linux preinstalled.

Hell, Corel Linux and Lindows were all about nothing BUT end users in the desktop space.

Right, so if the desktop is pretty pointless for linux anyways, then why not just stick to something that has a point? E.g. Windows.

Every time I went by the Linux section at CompUSA I did a face palm.

I tease I tease

**mullet** · 09-16-11, 03:37 PM

I will not upgrade to win 8 I see no reason to.

Sean_W · 09-16-11, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rakeesh

Dude, retail. Does the word retail mean anything to you? Yes, it's been on store shelves. Many, many times in fact, between 1998 and 2005. Eventually they stopped because it didn't sell sh*t.

Not to mention, several different companies bundled Linux with PC's. Unlike you, I was around to remember Corel Linux, Lindows/Linspire, Suse, Redhat (yes, the vanilla desktop version.) Hell, fry's electronics used to sell PC's that had Linux preinstalled.

Hell, Corel Linux and Lindows were all about nothing BUT end users in the desktop space.

Right, so if the desktop is pretty pointless for linux anyways, then why not just stick to something that has a point? E.g. Windows.

I didn't say anything about Linux, you made the assumption I was talking Linux because you know I use it. You actually brought Linux up in the thread with no valid reason whatsoever.

Are you going to bore us all with your 'Linux failed on the desktop because' talk? The desktop isn't everything you know and I don't know whether you know but lots of businesses fail to get any traction against big brand names in any type of business, especially the ones monopolised by huge companies with billions to throw about.

ElL33t · 09-16-11, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by slaWter

Yeah with Windows 8 they're offering both interfaces on both tablets and PCs. I don't think that's smart. Those platforms are completely different, from the input method, over the target group to the tasks they're made for.

Otherwise you suddenly have two interfaces to maintain on the same platform. Plus it's confusing (tablet case) or annoying (pc case) for the user.

There is nothing to maintain. Have you used windows 8? It isn't two interfaces, it's one. The metro part is the start button. You can pull it back down at any time to see the desktop as you can in win7.

**nekrosoft13** · 09-16-11, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mullet

I will not upgrade to win 8 I see no reason to.

same here, i don't want to support this metro **** on desktop.

Sean_W · 09-16-11, 05:07 PM

Basically, the start menu brings up the metro UI where you can do stuff. This idea is already what the one of the Linux desktop environments use. GNOME Shell replaces it's menu with an overview of windows and apps, which is pretty much what MS as done.

Not saying Microsoft are copying but well, it's on the same lines.

**bacon12** · 09-16-11, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ElL33t

There is nothing to maintain. Have you used windows 8? It isn't two interfaces, it's one. The metro part is the start button. You can pull it back down at any time to see the desktop as you can in win7.

Yes its actually an application for each UI. Metro or classic desktop. Run either or both.

I think performance increases will make this a worthy upgrade, but we will have to see once it gets out of development. We have heard news of being able to play xbox games nativity as well, but who knows how that will work out.

Hopefully there are lots of goodies that will be in 8 that will make us want to upgrade. You babies can whine till the sun don't shine about metro on DT. No one is making you use it including MS. So beat that drum till you go deaf no one is listening.

You really should learn about the platform before you speak foolishly.

Also wanted to add that MS confirmed no flash on Metro IE10 yesterday. Yes there will be two IE10's one for DT and one for Metro.

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/new...sh-plugins.ars

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09-16-11, 05:07 PM	#71
Sean_W Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,438	Re: Microsoft BUILD - Windows 8 Unveiling Basically, the start menu brings up the metro UI where you can do stuff. This idea is already what the one of the Linux desktop environments use. GNOME Shell replaces it's menu with an overview of windows and apps, which is pretty much what MS as done. Not saying Microsoft are copying but well, it's on the same lines.