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Old 09-25-03, 02:34 PM   #193
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This exercise is a bit pointless since there is already a really good web article showing how the 51.xx has *obviously* lowered the IQ.

As for pointing it out... there is missing texture detail in Icemtomb shot on left and right walls.

It's a test of percieved IQ and to what extent has IQ been lost that it's actually noticeable. Many people have claimed that the IQ loss with the 51.75's in UT2k3 is quite noticeable. I'm simply testing that claim. As for your texture detail in the walls, in that scene there are water falls running down the walls. As the shots are not taken at the same exact time, there are differences in how the water looks as it's falling. Make sure you have distinguished between the two.
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Old 09-25-03, 03:45 PM   #194
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And they DID lower IQ. I can tell EASILY that UT20032003i.jpg is from the 51.xx drivers.
Odd. To me it seems UT20032003i1.jpg has slightly worse quality. But it's hard to tell, because for some reason the textures are different. Shouldn't the textures be the same? Why do they depend on drivers?

EDIT: Uh-huh - I think I was looking at the waterfalls. Can't see much else, only couple of slight differences in the lightning, but they might be originated from the different viewing positions. So, zero differences in the still shots for me.
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Old 09-25-03, 03:51 PM   #195
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Old 09-25-03, 03:55 PM   #196
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Odd. To me it seems UT20032003i1.jpg has slightly worse quality. But it's hard to tell, because for some reason the textures are different. Shouldn't the textures be the same? Why do they depend on drivers?
The pictures aren't from the same frame. And shouldn't we be using pngs instead of jpgs when trying to point out IQ differences?
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The pictures aren't from the same frame. And shouldn't we be using pngs instead of jpgs when trying to point out IQ differences?
Yeah. Because it's hard to get the same frame after switching to different drivers and then try to position them exactly the way the other shots were taken. They are pretty close to the same frame like the other shots that was posted earlier. And differences in IQ were also claimed from them. Hm. Maybe I'll make a Ut2k3 demo and use it to get the same frames. I'll post it later, but tell me what you think which drivers the shots came from.

The JPEG compression was done at maximum quality with photoshop on all the shots. There shouldn't be much difference from PNGs. I'll try posting some PNG's later if you want. But the files sizes might be larger.
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Old 09-25-03, 06:20 PM   #198
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Sorry but you guys are full of it. You talk trash about major IQ differences and now you can't even tell the difference.

Get a life guys.

I just give up. Nvidia IQ is more than just nice!!! is awesome.

BTW Nvidia isn't the only one cheating.

ATI cheats in 3DMark and cheats in Aquamark and in UT 2K3 just so you know.
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Old 09-25-03, 07:27 PM   #199
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i think the i1 jpg looks better, the tetxures on the bottom left part of the ledge are sharper, and the chains seem less blurry, and it just seems sharper in general
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ATI cheats in 3DMark and cheats in Aquamark and in UT 2K3 just so you know.
They certainly don't cheat in 3DMark. Or Aquamark, as far as anyone knows. And UT2003? Nope, not there either.
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OK if you say so




3Dmark nature test without the sooo called optimazations speed drops to hell for the Radeon.

http://www.guru3d.com/forum/showthre...heating+3dmark

And come on UT 2K3 is one old benchmark it has been optimized big time by both Nvidia and ATI.


Oh yeah here is an image comparison on

ATI

http://www.guru3d.com/miraserver/ima...5000RADEON.png

Nvidia

http://www.guru3d.com/miraserver/ima...Frame05000.png

More discussion on these here:

http://www.guru3d.com/forum/showthre...330#post504330


But of course only Nvidia cheats right?

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Old 09-25-03, 08:34 PM   #202
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I hope you asked Balderdash to post that pic from his webspace, and btw go look in the thread where he posted that and was shown what the real problem was
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Old 09-25-03, 09:07 PM   #203
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The real problem is that both ATI and Nvidia use the optimizations... in order to achieve better fps or simply better benchmark scores. However most people just accuse Nvidia of cheating.


The real problem is that most people that uses ATI just bitches about Nvidia IQ and as we can see in the screenshot comparison. The Nvidia screenshot looks just darker nothing you can't fix with "Digital Vibrance" and yet the Nvidia shot looks better. AF looks better. Plus is not missing some details that the ATI shot is missing.


So there you have it.


As of right now there is no point for me trying to show you that Nvidia's IQ is not the only one that sucks and that nvidia is not the only one that cheats anymore.

Call it an optimization, bug or cheat. The bottom line is that both companies have some of the three options.

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Old 09-25-03, 09:10 PM   #204
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Did you even read the thread where that pic was posted? There is no way to see who is cheating or optimizing because there is no refrast photo

And on the missing objects, how do you know it's not a bug? Every object that is not being rendered on Ati cards all share the same characteristic, they are all under shadows
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