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Old 10-02-03, 10:26 AM   #73
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as long as i don't see a huge difference in quality i won't care what Nvidia replaces in that game.
ATI payed VALVE to code that game the way they wan't to have it.
If Nvidia now replaces some things for their cards. Fine...
Pretty funny. Nice 8 Mio dollar investment
How long are you going to keep regurgitating the garbage that NVidia PR feeds you?

There is going to be a huge difference in quality because the standard DX9 codepath contains many features such as HDR lighting (which looks absolutely breathtaking imo) and other DX9 effects that the NV3x can't do. You are just being ignorant if you think that there isn't going to be any huge visual difference.

And again, more accusations. There is a reason why its not called the ATI codepath. Thats because it is the standard DX9 codepath. Not just ATI is going to be using this. XGI Volari, and Deltacrome will all be using this path because it is the industry standard. There's not going to be the "Volari codepath" or "Deltacrome codepath". Its NVidias own fault for deviating from DX9 specifications. If they cut their losses and got over the whole entire MS / FP16/24/32 debate and redesigned the NV3x design after the first release, and actually implemented DX9 features like HDR correctly, we probably wouldn't be in this mess. ATI only payed for packaging HL2 with their upcoming video card, as well as $15 for each copy of HL2 included. Valve simply went with ATI because they had the best and ONLY hardware capable of running the standard DX9 codepath.
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Old 10-02-03, 10:39 AM   #74
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Yet, there are still those that support NVidia's pathetic attempt to artificially increase performance. I suppose those same people would be happy if the polys were all blank, as long the FPS was high. Maybe extreme, but that is how some of you are sounding.


Take away all the new eye candy in todays games and you are pretty much left with the same game you bought last year.

Seriously, the only major differences from Wolfenstein to Doom to Quake to Half Life to HL2 and Doom3 is the eyecandy.

You run around and shoot stuff and find the secret lever that opens the door etc etc ad naseum.

May as well break out my old paradise VGA card and play Wolfenstein 3d again.

yep.. the way its meant to be played.
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Old 10-02-03, 10:47 AM   #75
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Wow, I applaud NVIDIA's clairvoyant driver team. After the drivers are optimized NVIDIA's scores in benchmarks are always at the same level as ATI's. Amazing, isn't it? It's just one big coincidence after coincidence
Well dont attack the driver team. It amazes me some of the stuff that the Nvidia driver team "can" pull off. Can you imagine just how the Nvidia driver team works to get this done?

Even if People say Nvidia drivers are not gold standard anymore. You can at least Say the Nvidia driver team definately knows what its doing in most situations.

Cant blame the driver team for management decisions. they just get payed
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Old 10-02-03, 11:02 AM   #76
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Which is exactly what Anand and [N] are hoping you will do.
interesting point. Im still gettin my 9800 tho
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Old 10-02-03, 11:05 AM   #77
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Getting back to the numbers... I'm very impressed with what NVidia has done!

Putting all biases aside, what do you think these new drivers mean for the 5200/5600 cards? Is it possible budget-minded (cheap!) gamers like me might have some good sub-$100 options for HL2? (I can live with 800x600)
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Nah.... Get a R9600Pro or XT same price and much better DX9 performance for a little over 100

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Old 10-02-03, 11:08 AM   #78
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Numbers and source, please? Or did you pull that out of your arse?

Linked from the main NVNews page:

"Overall segment (2D and 3D professional) share is:
NVIDIA 73%
ATI 13%
3Dlabs 4%
Other 9% (Matrox, Appian)"

http://www.amazoninternational.com/index.asp

Are you telling me all of those people are buying Quadro2 EX's?
I'm sure you really do know the difference between "overall" marketshare and "high-end ($300+)" marketshare, and wouldn't be surprised to learn, for example, that the most popular cars that cost $150,000+ are not the same brand as the ones most people are driving.

ATI having 97% of $300+ marketshare is very well known. you must be a bit of a noob, here's a google search for "ATI has 97% $300"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...=Google+Search
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Old 10-02-03, 11:34 AM   #79
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I'm sure you really do know the difference between "overall" marketshare and "high-end ($300+)" marketshare, and wouldn't be surprised to learn, for example, that the most popular cars that cost $150,000+ are not the same brand as the ones most people are driving.

ATI having 97% of $300+ marketshare is very well known. you must be a bit of a noob, here's a google search for "ATI has 97% $300"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...=Google+Search
Seconded...ATi ownes nVidia in the $150-200+ market segment.

If NVidia just optimizes just for the benchmark then they are the new scandalous company of the 21st century....the management at NVidia are some of the most %&%$&#&%$@$%^@#$% I ever seen or heard of.
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no offense to anyone here or anything, but I doubt we'll see this much nV bashing when Doom3 comes out.

btw: anyone have any nv36 information links?
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Old 10-02-03, 11:45 AM   #81
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By the time Doom 3 comes out Nvidia will have a new chip and hopely it will run everthing fine.
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Old 10-02-03, 11:50 AM   #82
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no offense to anyone here or anything, but I doubt we'll see this much nV bashing when Doom3 comes out.
I'll bet you a cookie you're wrong!
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Old 10-02-03, 11:58 AM   #83
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Marketing.
What would you do if you are the boss?
do what ati did, stay at second place, stop forcing lower IQ just for winning benchmarks, give users a way to enable/disable optimization, lower the price competatively, work hard and make a come back in future rounds. thats what i would do. but nvidia is not doing that, they have already lost me as a customer. its not like there is no alternative, i can live much more happily without nvidia's hardware in my system. do you like being constantly lie to? i dont.
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Old 10-02-03, 11:59 AM   #84
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I noticed this comment at GD>

"Gabe made it quite clear that Valve has totally scrapped all DX8.1 coding for DX9 and encouraged other developers to do the same he was very adamant on how superior the results of it are and how easy it is to use."

the sooner the better

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