Anand posts Initial HL2 results with new Dets - Page 8

Richthofen · 10-02-03, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by Socos
As long as there are people in the world like you, [N] will be in business.

ATI runs the, "STANDARD" DX9 codepath. Valve did not code for ATI hardware, they coded to the DX9 spec. I believe you will see this when XGI's card comes out. If it runs well on both ATI and XGI hardware and not [N]'s, it must be that ATI and XGI both paid valve???? Yeah thats it.

I don't care what ATI runs because mixed mode is included in DX9.
What you call standard DX9 is ATIs vision of DX9 which was adopted by MS. Nv3x was in development already back in those times.
No way to change anything in the design.

So i appreciate everything which Nvidia does to increase the performance.
And i hope Nvidia will be in business because i don't want ATI to get in the market position NV is. To bad memories from the past considering their crap products.

PaleGreen · 10-02-03, 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by rth
I'm sure you really do know the difference between "overall" marketshare and "high-end ($300+)" marketshare, and wouldn't be surprised to learn, for example, that the most popular cars that cost $150,000+ are not the same brand as the ones most people are driving.

ATI having 97% of $300+ marketshare is very well known....

Go back and read your original statement. You simply said "ATI has at least 97% of $300+ card market share".

Which is why I posted the link to the information regarding NV's continued dominance of the pro market, where many cards are $300+. (Hence my remark about the "el cheapo" Quadro2) There's just no way ATI has 97% (total units and/or dollar value) of all cards over $300.

NKVD2 · 10-02-03, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by Richthofen
To bad memories from the past considering their crap products.

yeah, that was from the PAST, mein fuhrer! And NVIDIA is a crap right now....

So what do we get ? ATI goes from worst to best, and NVIDIA goes from good to worthless...

serAph · 10-02-03, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by Richthofen
I don't care what ATI runs because mixed mode is included in DX9.
What you call standard DX9 is ATIs vision of DX9 which was adopted by MS. Nv3x was in development already back in those times.
No way to change anything in the design.

So i appreciate everything which Nvidia does to increase the performance.
And i hope Nvidia will be in business because i don't want ATI to get in the market position NV is. To bad memories from the past considering their crap products.

yes - thats whats made me so reluctant to invest in an ATi card until now: the old ATi.

ATi's older cards are so incredibly terrible its quite humorous.

serAph · 10-02-03, 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by NKVD2
yeah, that was from the PAST, mein fuhrer!

you're addressing someone named after the Red Baron (ww1 fighter ace) as "mein fuhrer?" (ww2)

shows how valid your opinion is...

Behemoth · 10-02-03, 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by NKVD2
yeah, that was from the PAST, mein fuhrer! And NVIDIA is a crap right now....

So what do we get ? ATI goes from worst to best, and NVIDIA goes from good to worthless...

very nice avatar you have there

NKVD2 · 10-02-03, 12:43 PM

seraph doesn't have sence of humor...

and yes, avatar is nice

but I am not the one who made it...there is another member here with this avatar...

serAph · 10-02-03, 12:54 PM

could someone tell me why adopting one standard and not another is cheaing?

I honestly think the cheating thing is blown out of proportion. Especially since ATi'll be running fp32 code @ fp24 come Doom3 time.

Both companies suck people - get over it and yourselves.

Hellbinder · 10-02-03, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by SlyBoots
I noticed this comment at GD>

"Gabe made it quite clear that Valve has totally scrapped all DX8.1 coding for DX9 and encouraged other developers to do the same – he was very adamant on how superior the results of it are and how easy it is to use."

the sooner the better

For the record DX8.1 would be refering to PS 1.3/1.4 support

Hellbinder · 10-02-03, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by serAph
could someone tell me why adopting one standard and not another is cheaing?

I honestly think the cheating thing is blown out of proportion. Especially since ATi'll be running fp32 code @ fp24 come Doom3 time.

Both companies suck people - get over it and yourselves.

First of all.. Go figure out what you are talking about.

There is no FP32 "code" in Doom-III.

The highest path is the ARB2 path which uses the STANDARD OpenGL extensions and uses whatever the hardware supports, be it FP24/FP32 or whatever.

The other paths like the Nvidia path uses Nvidia proprietary extensions and uses a LOT of Fx12 and FP16.

There are about 3 or 4 of you that keep repeating the same simply False information over and over every time to try to make some kind of pont. Base your Views on accurate information and get with the program.

serAph · 10-02-03, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by serAph
could someone tell me why adopting one standard and not another is cheaing?

I honestly think the cheating thing is blown out of proportion. Especially since ATi'll be running fp32 code @ fp24 come Doom3 time.

Both companies suck people - get over it and yourselves.

before anone responds - Im aware of the filtering issues and such between 44.03 and 45.23... but that was just from 44.03 to 45.23.......

Bopple · 10-02-03, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by serAph
could someone tell me why adopting one standard and not another is cheaing?

You know that's not the case here. Don't twist the whole situation into a mess with one oversimplified statement.

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10-02-03, 12:54 PM	#92
serAph The Original Superfreak Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 341	could someone tell me why adopting one standard and not another is cheaing? I honestly think the cheating thing is blown out of proportion. Especially since ATi'll be running fp32 code @ fp24 come Doom3 time. Both companies suck people - get over it and yourselves.