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Old 10-27-03, 10:03 PM   #13
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Default anybody running nvidia not nv with nvidia recent cards?

My system with or without glx glxcore loading will not run for more than a few seconds using nvidia instead of nv.

That's with nvidia ti4200 agp8 128mb card sold as Abit accessory.

I assume there is an incompatability with X 4.0 compile of nvidia driver and actual X 4.2.1 system. That's quite a disparity, and it has to be one of those misguided "conservative, stable" approaches that's not.

I wonder which version of X is current on the major linux distributions. X 4.2.1 is standard on Debian "testing" which is one of those fake conservative lies, "testing" k2.4 is stable and" stable" is not stable since hardware and drivers are beyond that. X 4.2.1 might come with "stable" k2.2 as well. I'm running kernel 2.6.0-test9, since I need 3ware drivers and pcmcia drivers(not working) and nforce2 stuff.

I'm going to change ~/. ctwmrc to stop the full and constant redraws of moving windows and cursor due to some unpleasant effects like causing Realplayer to lose sound output when windows are moved and resized.

The cursor line does not go away when I use the left-right arrow keys, I get a lot of vertical cursor lines left behind and the one that shows current position is one char off. Mouse is OK for that, just arrow keys mess up.

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Old 10-27-03, 11:21 PM   #14
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Bob:

Latest version of X is 4.3.0, comes with Redhat 9.0 - a major distribution, I guess.

I did install Redhat 9.0 "everything" on a system with a GeForce 4 MX440 128MB 8xAGP - that is the Ti4200, right?

Well it worked very nicely, but that was the "nv" driver without hardware acceleration (Mesa soft-OpenGL). Maybe that will work for you? Or hopefully you have stabilized on "nv" already.

This box has an FX5600 and I immediately installed nVidia 1.0-4496. So now my task is to restore what the nVidia driver erased. I have to retrieve libglx.a, and libGL.so.nnn and maybe libGLcore.nnn too. And I'm not even sure what RPM they are in.

All so that I can use the "nv" driver until the real "nvidia" driver is ready!
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Old 10-27-03, 11:38 PM   #15
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Default believe it or not

That other board is not a ti4x00, it's not as good as ti's though an older ti can be agp4 and an MX in agp8 could be better than an agp4 ti. Maybe the 5x00's are better than ti's.

I overwrote those glx glcore files with nvidia ones but maybe I'm not using them. X loads "glx" happily from somewhere. I'm using "nv" with the nvidia.ko module doing agpgart and whatever underlying support it provides to "nv".

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Old 10-28-03, 03:05 AM   #16
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recbo, to clarify you cannot use anything of 'nvidia.ko' and 'nv' at the same time. You perhaps might get some of the nvidia GL libs to load into X while the nv driver was running, but it certainly won't render anything.

lsmod

and check which driver is actually loaded. If 'nvidia' is there then you are not running 'nv'. The accelerated nvidia driver does provide a replacement 2d layer, which takes on the functionality of 'nv'.
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Old 10-28-03, 12:12 PM   #17
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Default nvidia.ko is not "nvidia", nvidia_drv.o is "nvidia"

nvidia.ko is in the /lib/modules tree, it's not
the "nvidia" of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 in
which you choose X's "nv" or nvidia's "nvidia".

"nvidia" in the X file is nvidia_drv.o which is
installed in the X11R6 tree.

Actually it may be necessary to use agpgart instead of nvidia.ko to get agp8 or any agp
using X's "nv".
cat /proc/drivers/nvidia/status
Status: Disabled
no agp, if X loads "nvidia" which is nvidia_drv.o,
and kernel has previously loaded nvidia.ko,
then status will say AGP 8 because "nvidia" nvidia_drv.o calls nvidia.ko

I can load nvidia in X, and /proc/drivers/nvidia/status then
changes to AGP 8 if agpgart is
not in the kernel. Then in a
few seconds linux locks up
solid.

I go back to X's nv.

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Old 10-28-03, 12:18 PM   #18
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Default lsmod nvidia

In X with nv loaded in X and in boot scripts
modprobe /lib/modules/2.6.0/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko

now in X

lsmod
nvidia 1533932 0

which is nvidia.ko not nvidia_drv.o("nvidia")

but nv doesn't call nvidia.ko for agp so
cat /proc/driver/agp/status
Status: Disabled

Now possibly if I put agpgart back in the kernel,
nv can get agp8 working so at least I'll have
2D agp8. Then moving a window shouldn't
bog realplayer.

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Old 10-29-03, 10:02 PM   #19
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Default nVidia 1.0-4496 driver works fine on Redhat 9.0

nVidia FX5600 is now running well under Redhat 9.0 with OpenGL hardware
acceleration, 3D. OpenOffice works fine, xmms works fine, glxgears runs at
about 3200fps. This is how:

Download install the following RPMs from Redhat:

Check dependencies, ignore the conflict warnings (rpm -i --test).
Install 1st: glibc-common-2.3.2-27.9.i386.rpm
Install 2nd: glibc-2.3.2-27.9.i686.rpm
(rpm -i -v --replacefiles).

Download the nVidia driver and install it
(sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496.pkg2.run).

Edit /etc/X11/XF86Config:
Remove: Load "dri" and Load "GLcore"
Add: Load "glx"
Change: Driver "nv"
To: Driver "nvidia"

Thanks to all, especially for pointing out that glibc less than 2.3.2-11.9,
is broken (thread-local-storage Vs dlopen() and shared lib access).

Thanks to Mark for the best clues!
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Old 10-30-03, 01:01 AM   #20
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Default kernel opts

How much can you, did you, should we remove from the kernel?

agpgart since nvidia.ko does that

riva

How about X dri support?

framebuffer?

things under framebuffer like vesa, fonts?

I will update glibc, and I found that my bios had allocated irq11 to four cards including agp, so there is a chance that when agp8 kicked in that caused the lockup a few seconds or a minute after nvidia loaded and /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status said agp8
Right now I have an irq for agp and nothing else, so I can have another go.

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Old 10-30-03, 08:46 PM   #21
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Bob:

No changes to my 2.4.20-6 kernel.

dri is not for nVidia, see:
http://dri.sourceforge.net/cg-bin/mo...tegoryHardware

My XFree86.0.log shows
(**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
... so it's working

Don't know about framebuffer fonts yet.
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Old 10-30-03, 09:08 PM   #22
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Default and the bad news is

The bad news for me is you have a 2.4 kernel.

The good news is you have a default kernel which probably means I can clear out a bunch
of stuff.

Slight good news is the worst thing that can happen is I can run X without nvidia drivers, using kernel agpgart.

OK here I go, testing the assumption that when I had nvidia loading in X it only crashed because agp8 stressed out my stupid bios' decision to place agp, raid controller with four drives, and ethernet on one irq. I did the old isa thing and moved cards around physically so I have three irq's for those. Now let's if nvidia crashes.

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Old 11-14-03, 07:59 PM   #23
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Default Ti4200 / kernel 2.6

Bob:

No news is good news - yes?

I hope your Ti4200 card is working by now, I have no more troubles at all on this end.

Question: What do you think of the kernel 2.6 performance, Vs earlier kernels you worked with?
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Old 11-15-03, 12:59 AM   #24
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Default 2.6 kernel comparison

2.6 kernels are really stable. That's the way they're regarded generally. 2.6.0-test9 is the current source number.

Back in 2.6.0-test3 I thought I was having kernel problems with apic acpi, but I upgraded my bios and that was the problem. My current system would run for a year if I didn't make changes more often.

It is impossible for me to use nvidia glx with a 2.6 kernel so far, until nvidia links for that, which I think would be a five minute project for them. I am living with "nv". I can't tell if agp8 is working because "nvidia" is the only way I can see that logs if agp8 is engaged.

pcmcia-cs which is a userland set of tools for pcmcia bus adapters, readers, cards, devices, works with 2.4 handling the modules and utilities. It won't touch the kernel module role with 2.6, so it only does the utilities role. In my case this means I can't get a TI1420 chip pcmcia reader to work in 2.6 because the kernel pcmcia "yenta" code does not work with that.

I can watch flash and realplayer and java vm.

I got an lcd monitor since my tube monitor burned out Wednesday. LCD is easier on the eyes.
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