New 3DMark03 patch out - nVidia still cheating

Hanners · 11-11-03, 10:42 AM

FutureMark have now made the 340 patch for 3DMark03 available for download. The patch weighs in at 5.4Mb, and can be downloaded from FutureMark here.

Are nVidia still cheating I hear you ask? Of course they are, did you ever expect any different?

Courtesy of Beyond3D (The 333 patch was the release candidate for the final 340 patch):

Code:

                     Patch  Driver    3DMarks   GT1    GT2   GT3   GT4 
GeForce FX 5950 Ultra 330   52.16       6412    205.7  46.6  37    37.3 
GeForce FX 5950 Ultra 333   52.16       5538    205    39.6  33.1  26.3 
Radeon 9800 XT        330   3.8         6435    209.7  45.4  38.6  36.3 
Radeon 9800 XT        333   3.8         6436    210.5  45.4  38.6  36.3

digitalwanderer · 11-11-03, 10:52 AM

Beat me, AGAIN!

Gator · 11-11-03, 10:54 AM

Hanners with all due respect how exactly doers this prove Nvidia is cheating again?

Ady · 11-11-03, 10:59 AM

OF course they are still cheating, why would they stop? They don't want to look second best. A lot of nv users still seem to be happy about their high scores, even if it is due to cheats.

Hanners · 11-11-03, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gator
Hanners with all due respect how exactly doers this prove Nvidia is cheating again?

The new patch disables all application detection of 3DMark03, and GeForceFX 5950 Ultra scores drop by 1,000 points. The rest writes itself I would say...

digitalwanderer · 11-11-03, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gator
Hanners with all due respect how exactly doers this prove Nvidia is cheating again?

An almost 900 point loss with the new patch compared to the unpatched version and you have to ask? (Not to mention it's mainly GT4?

)

thatdude90210 · 11-11-03, 11:02 AM

It's a fricking arms race isn't it? Nvidia keeps finding ways to cheat and benchmark coders have to keep pace to defeat them. This explains Valve's rant about many in the industry having to do extra work because of Nvidia... well this and having to code extra paths to get decent speed on Fx cards.

AthlonXP1800 · 11-11-03, 11:09 AM

So what? I think Hanners missed one thing, ATI is cheated too!

Take a look at 9800 XT 3.8 driver GT1 benchmark with patch 330, it scored 209.7 but with patch 333 the score increased to 210.5. So that mean ATI cheated with GT1.

Where is patch 340 benchmarks scores?

mrgoodcheese · 11-11-03, 11:13 AM

Different companies, different hardware, different drivers......... big deal.

Belong on page 10 of "the Inquirer for technology".

digitalwanderer · 11-11-03, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AthlonXP1800
So what? I think Hanners missed one thing, ATI is cheated too!

Take a look at 9800 XT 3.8 driver GT1 benchmark with patch 330, it scored 209.7 but with patch 333 the score increased to 210.5. So that mean ATI cheated with GT1.

Where is patch 340 benchmarks scores?

Uhm...you're comparing a .8 point change for ATi to an 874 point loss for nVidia?

Yeah, right...

ChrisRay · 11-11-03, 11:17 AM

This patch should be a welcome to last week remark. I have no doubts, That a new driver, Will reimplement the cheats, and the merry go round will continue.

I dont believe futuremark has a chance of fighting off every nvidia driver release.

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Uhm...you're comparing a .8 point change for ATi to an 874 point loss for nVidia?

Yeah, right...

I think you missed an obvious tone of sarcasm.

digitalwanderer · 11-11-03, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrgoodcheese
Different companies, different hardware, different drivers......... big deal.

Belong on page 10 of "the Inquirer for technology".

What are you talking about? The big difference is between nVidia's pre and post patch scores, and that difference says that nVidia is still cheating.

I'd love to hear any other explanations...at least ones that make one tiny little iota of sense.

11-11-03, 10:42 AM	#1
Hanners Elite Bastard Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 984	New 3DMark03 patch out - nVidia still cheating FutureMark have now made the 340 patch for 3DMark03 available for download. The patch weighs in at 5.4Mb, and can be downloaded from FutureMark here. Are nVidia still cheating I hear you ask? Of course they are, did you ever expect any different? Courtesy of Beyond3D (The 333 patch was the release candidate for the final 340 patch): Code: Patch Driver 3DMarks GT1 GT2 GT3 GT4 GeForce FX 5950 Ultra 330 52.16 6412 205.7 46.6 37 37.3 GeForce FX 5950 Ultra 333 52.16 5538 205 39.6 33.1 26.3 Radeon 9800 XT 330 3.8 6435 209.7 45.4 38.6 36.3 Radeon 9800 XT 333 3.8 6436 210.5 45.4 38.6 36.3 __________________ Owner / Editor-in-Chief - Elite Bastards

11-11-03, 10:52 AM	#2
digitalwanderer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 4,944	Beat me, AGAIN! __________________ [SIZE=1][I]"It was very important to us that NVIDIA did not know exactly where to aim. As a result they seem to have over-engineered in some aspects creating a power-hungry monster which is going to be very expensive for them to manufacture. We have a beautifully balanced piece of hardware that beats them on pure performance, cost, scalability, future mobile relevance, etc. That's all because they didn't know what to aim at." -R.Huddy[/I] [/SIZE]

11-11-03, 10:54 AM	#3
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11-11-03, 10:59 AM	#4
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11-11-03, 11:09 AM	#8
AthlonXP1800 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 4,352	So what? I think Hanners missed one thing, ATI is cheated too! Take a look at 9800 XT 3.8 driver GT1 benchmark with patch 330, it scored 209.7 but with patch 333 the score increased to 210.5. So that mean ATI cheated with GT1. Where is patch 340 benchmarks scores? __________________ Intel Core i7 3770K, Corsair H80 liquid cooler with Noctua S12-1200 fan, ASUS P8Z77V with UEFI 1606, 16GB Samsung Green 30nm DDR3-RAM, Pioneer DVR-217DBK 22x DVD-RW, Corsair AX850 PSU, Western Digital 2TB SATA3 hard drive, Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic, CanonScan N650U scanner, Microsoft Internet Keyboard, ASDA Wheel Mouse Optical, Sirus's 2 3D speakers, 32inch Sharp LC32LE600 LED TV, EVGA Geforce GTX 670 SC 4GB with Geforce 306.23 driver, 30Mb broadband Virgin Media VMDG480 Super Hub, Aspire Xplorer Midi Tower, Windows 8 Pro 64bit.

11-11-03, 11:02 AM	#7
thatdude90210 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 16	It's a fricking arms race isn't it? Nvidia keeps finding ways to cheat and benchmark coders have to keep pace to defeat them. This explains Valve's rant about many in the industry having to do extra work because of Nvidia... well this and having to code extra paths to get decent speed on Fx cards.

11-11-03, 11:13 AM	#9
mrgoodcheese Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: frozen tundra Posts: 86	Different companies, different hardware, different drivers......... big deal. Belong on page 10 of "the Inquirer for technology".

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