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Old 11-11-03, 10:42 AM   #1
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Default New 3DMark03 patch out - nVidia still cheating

FutureMark have now made the 340 patch for 3DMark03 available for download. The patch weighs in at 5.4Mb, and can be downloaded from FutureMark here.

Are nVidia still cheating I hear you ask? Of course they are, did you ever expect any different?

Courtesy of Beyond3D (The 333 patch was the release candidate for the final 340 patch):

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                     Patch  Driver    3DMarks   GT1    GT2   GT3   GT4 
GeForce FX 5950 Ultra 330   52.16       6412    205.7  46.6  37    37.3 
GeForce FX 5950 Ultra 333   52.16       5538    205    39.6  33.1  26.3 
Radeon 9800 XT        330   3.8         6435    209.7  45.4  38.6  36.3 
Radeon 9800 XT        333   3.8         6436    210.5  45.4  38.6  36.3
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Old 11-11-03, 10:52 AM   #2
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Beat me, AGAIN!
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Hanners with all due respect how exactly doers this prove Nvidia is cheating again?
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Old 11-11-03, 10:59 AM   #4
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OF course they are still cheating, why would they stop? They don't want to look second best. A lot of nv users still seem to be happy about their high scores, even if it is due to cheats.
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Hanners with all due respect how exactly doers this prove Nvidia is cheating again?
The new patch disables all application detection of 3DMark03, and GeForceFX 5950 Ultra scores drop by 1,000 points. The rest writes itself I would say...
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Hanners with all due respect how exactly doers this prove Nvidia is cheating again?
An almost 900 point loss with the new patch compared to the unpatched version and you have to ask? (Not to mention it's mainly GT4? )
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Old 11-11-03, 11:02 AM   #7
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It's a fricking arms race isn't it? Nvidia keeps finding ways to cheat and benchmark coders have to keep pace to defeat them. This explains Valve's rant about many in the industry having to do extra work because of Nvidia... well this and having to code extra paths to get decent speed on Fx cards.
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So what? I think Hanners missed one thing, ATI is cheated too!

Take a look at 9800 XT 3.8 driver GT1 benchmark with patch 330, it scored 209.7 but with patch 333 the score increased to 210.5. So that mean ATI cheated with GT1.

Where is patch 340 benchmarks scores?
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Different companies, different hardware, different drivers......... big deal.

Belong on page 10 of "the Inquirer for technology".
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So what? I think Hanners missed one thing, ATI is cheated too!

Take a look at 9800 XT 3.8 driver GT1 benchmark with patch 330, it scored 209.7 but with patch 333 the score increased to 210.5. So that mean ATI cheated with GT1.

Where is patch 340 benchmarks scores?
Uhm...you're comparing a .8 point change for ATi to an 874 point loss for nVidia?

Yeah, right...
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This patch should be a welcome to last week remark. I have no doubts, That a new driver, Will reimplement the cheats, and the merry go round will continue.

I dont believe futuremark has a chance of fighting off every nvidia driver release.


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Uhm...you're comparing a .8 point change for ATi to an 874 point loss for nVidia?

Yeah, right...
I think you missed an obvious tone of sarcasm.
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Different companies, different hardware, different drivers......... big deal.

Belong on page 10 of "the Inquirer for technology".
What are you talking about? The big difference is between nVidia's pre and post patch scores, and that difference says that nVidia is still cheating.

I'd love to hear any other explanations...at least ones that make one tiny little iota of sense.
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