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Old 12-06-03, 12:16 PM   #37
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No, i think its a misunderdanding here. There's nothing wrong with Spector's abilities. BUT, whatever the team did for IW, he still had the final say. He could veto the absense of leaning for example, or the absense of quicksaving (which we will get in the forthcoming patch) either, but he didn't. These are weird and risky decisions. The thing is, how difficult is it to have them (Hell, the old one had them by default)? They've said that all these details didn't make the original a success. Fine, but what sort of freedom of choice do i have (in a game that is synonymous with player freedom) here? Implement leaning, and if i don't like it, i won't use it. Same goes for quicksaving, hacking abilities etc.

Reminds me of Mafia's Daniel Vavra quote: "the player won't be able to save in the middle of the mission so that he will not have a save/progress/save/progress sequence which interrupts the fluidity and fun of the game". I say bollocks. Have the save option and whoever likes sm can try and play the whole game without saving at all ffs.

Nephilim, the game does not suck ass. That is the worst thing with it. In the core of it, there is still a Deus Ex game but you have to be a hell of a diver to go down there and find it. IMO that makes it worse. If they had totally screwed up everything in it, it would be OK (sort off). But there's still a good story, moral decisions for the player that alter the game a bit, good graphics (np on my case at least) but other than that, its stripped down and not polished at all. I hope it doesn't meet their expectations so that they may be forced to alter some design choices for the future.

Friendly advice: do what i do with sequels. Play the original first, then go to the sequel. Also, read the IW diaries and notice how much Warren Spector has become a shameless/contradictory salesman/ass kisser of his game. After the fracas with the demo he said "you guys go buy the game, then judge whether its good or not". After ISA fixed nothing for the final release he then said "do me a favor and download the patch first, then judge the game". Heh, if the patch doesn't solve anything what are the chances of him coming out and say "OK, OK, but do me a second favor and wait for GOTY (yeah right!) edition first, then judge it. Oh i forgot, available on Xbox only"

It goes without saying that that's my personal opinion after playing the game right after the original one. I'm frustrated that this half-arsed game bears the name of a game that was very good. When the price drops to half, buy it. Until then, the trio stooges of short gaming is 1)MP2 2)IW 3)NOLF: Contrack Jack. Whoever got those 3 when they hit the stores, can join the club of idiots (btw i'm the honorary president ) Any other members?
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Old 12-06-03, 01:01 PM   #38
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they sure did macaroni of AI system
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and its pretty clear why Deus Ex 2 sucks so much

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that console games have to be aimed at a younger audience than PC games and THAT forces you to make different design decisions.
Why can't kiddies go play donkey kong or whatever and let us have normal Deus Ex im so pissed at devs not gonna get my $$
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Old 12-06-03, 01:34 PM   #39
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This game is terrible.

I have a P4 @ 2.8, 768 meg ram and a Radeon 9700. In anything other than 800x600 with NO FSAA its unplayable. The "Bloom" effect is basically just a blur, it looks horrible on a PC monitor, it should have been switched off by default, especially as it breaks FSAA. The graphics are nothing great to begin with, there are stencil shadows all over the place, but the poly count and texture resolution is very low, with bump mapping and specularity only on a few select surfaces. This game was released unfinished. The game doesn't even save your game settings because it installs one of the ini files as read-only and you have toggle the file manually. This just stinks of something not properly tested before release.

After I messed around to get it to run I did sit down and play the game for 4 hours. Its a let down. The RPG elements are dumbed down from the first one. The branching story-line isn't. For example, after the first "mission" of the game, your partner tells you she has join some cult and suggests you go to your bosses former office and snoop around. You don't get a choice to say no, your objectives are just updated automatically and you have to do them. The AI *IS* terrible. I attacked a guard with a stun batton and he says "okay, you need to stop that". After I knocked him out I carried his body passed the other guard, who didn't seem to notice. I then blew up the door to an apartment with a grenade, and the other guard comes running over, weapon drawn, but then doesn't attack me. After that I lost interest, killed everyone in site, then quit and this game is getting uninstalled.

Despite its dated Unreal engine, the first Deus ex is a much better game.

I'd save your money for something better, there are some good games out atm. I recently got Call of Duty and NFS Underground, both very good games.
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Old 12-06-03, 04:25 PM   #40
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Can I call you "Conclusion Jumper," or better yet, "Twit"?


Shouldn't you be defending Warren right about now?

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Shouldn't you be defending Warren right about now?

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Shouldn't you be acting like a....oh wait, you are.
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This game is terrible.

I have a P4 @ 2.8, 768 meg ram and a Radeon 9700. In anything other than 800x600 with NO FSAA its unplayable.

Despite its dated Unreal engine, the first Deus ex is a much better game.

I'd save your money for something better, there are some good games out atm. I recently got Call of Duty and NFS Underground, both very good games.
It really isn't looking too good for DX9 gaming. Such a let down this year, hope 2004 is better since there hasn't really been a DX9 game yet that performs better than NFS: Underground.

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How many disks is this game on?

Does it have a CD Key?

Does it need the CD to play? If so, are there any working no-CD cracks out yet?
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Old 12-07-03, 01:29 PM   #46
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Has anyone bought this game and actualy liked it?
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Old 12-07-03, 01:48 PM   #47
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Has anyone bought this game and actualy liked it?
Yes (not talking about me i have not bought it yet)

There are people in the RAGE3d forum that liked these game...
They have vote it as one of the three best games they bought lately...

I noticed the most people that hate these game live in these Forum because in some other forums they do not say so bad words about it....
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Yeah, I've seen a lot of people say that they love it. Especially on Xbox forums, where almost everyone agrees that it's a very good game (though they do complain about the framerate and AI). In fact, the Nvidia news forum is one of the only forums I've seen so far where almost all the posters hate the game. I'm looking forward to getting the game, but I'll wait until it comes down in price a bit (or I'll just borrow my friend's copy).
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