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Old 12-28-03, 08:12 AM   #37
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I listened to Lateralus.

That sums up my Tool feelings pretty wel.
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Old 12-28-03, 09:34 AM   #38
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Grrr...

Author of that = teh st0op1d

What a waste of keystrokes...
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Old 12-28-03, 10:12 AM   #39
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Grrr...

Author of that = teh st0op1d

What a waste of keystrokes...
Care to qualify that? I would be interested to see your take on it.

I listen to music for a living and I would have to say that while I won't say that Tool sucks (there are certainly worse bands out there) I would say that Tool does not do anything for me. I can see why people like them, but I cannot see why people like them as much as they do. To me, they're just another rock band. Don't get me wrong, I like me some rock, but I am very picky about it as a lot of what is out today is very derivative and a lot of it sounds the same. I couldn't tell the difference between Corn, Limp Biscuit, and Lincoln Park (to name a few) if my life depended on it. (And yes, I know the band names are misspelled. They're misspelled to begin with to be "cool" and I hate that dumb ****)

Now I wouldn't agree that Nine Inch Nails is that great either. Sure, Trent Reznor can write decent lyrics, but honestly the music hit or miss with him too. I haven't really enjoyed much of his work since the Downward Spiral. Then again, there's only so much music you can mine from bands like Ministry, Front 242, and Skinny Puppy.

Maybe its the fact that I have to listen to some of this stuff all the time, over and over again, but I would have to say that I have been very disenchanted with music these days. The bands I find myself consistently coming back to are bands like David Bowie, The Pixies, Radiohead, Sigur Ros, VNV Nation (damn great lyrics here), among others. My iTunes playlist is a very odd beast.
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Old 12-28-03, 10:18 AM   #40
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I would've liked to have heard some Sonic Mayhem on Doom 3. They did the soundtrack for Quake 2 and it's pretty hardcore.
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Old 12-28-03, 10:33 AM   #41
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Care to qualify that? I would be interested to see your take on it.
I find it perfectly appropriate. Bands with musical substance are tasty--NIN, Yes, Zeppelin, Beatles, Van Halen. Bands without musical substance are not tasty.
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I find it perfectly appropriate. Bands with musical substance are tasty--NIN, Yes, Zeppelin, Beatles, Van Halen. Bands without musical substance are not tasty.
Heh, I found your stuff appropriate as well. I was asking ragejg to qualify his statement that the article sucked.
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The Dig pulls out his BFG, glowers menacingly at the posters in this thread, and says; "Next lilly-livered little girl who starts talking about pop music in a Doom3 speculation thread gets a taste of old Betsy here!"

Isn't this supposed to be a Doom]|[ thread?!?!
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Old 12-28-03, 11:40 AM   #44
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Care to qualify that? I would be interested to see your take on it.
Maybe I shoulda added an "IMO" to that? ...

I guess my opinion on this can be traced back to when I originally saw a Tool video (sober)in the summer of 1993 @ age 15...

#1 I had never seen anything like it before

#2 it touched on themes I'd never seen explored before

#3 the prog-rock setup of the song was smattered with enough atmosphere and uniqueness to catch my ear

...obviously the style attracted a good deal of attention, good and bad... I personally liked it, and even heard a few songs off of Opiate that summer as well, after spending a couple weeks around undertow (at the time I was listening to select tracks from Alice In Chains' album Dirt, the singles movie soundtrack... but mostly Nirvana... ...I didn't get into RATM until later in the year, around november when I got ahold of that, In Utero, and the Breeders' album Last Splash) I don't really feel like I was a grunge sheep back then, as ppl with my music taste were definitely in the minority at my school...

...

... so they (Tool) has supposedly shouded themselves with mysticism.... heh I think that's great!! If a band can do that, and hold onto their class (tool hasn't gone through a big paradigm shift or anything, at least since the early 90's), become respected in the music community, and continue on for a good number of years, well IMO there's nothing wrong with it...

...If they presented their fassad (a component of showmanship, sometimes a forgotten angle of the duties of a performerto the world, and the world accepted it, and allowed it to continue on (at least from Summer of 1993 to present) for a long time, and their fans are happy with the music... well if Tool is happy with doing things the way they are, then so am I. I'm intrigued by the style. I'm amazed by the art. I guess I'm just sold on the whole "Tool" thing. Well you know what? I like being sold on the whole Tool thing, and the whole Nirvana thing, and the the whole:

Melvins
Mudhoney
Snapcase
NIN (yep, thems too
Tom Petty
Sepultura
MTV's "AMP" cd (1995, ... good show, good album)
Temple of the Dog
Radiohead
Portishead
Mad Season
Deftones
Some Korn
Soulfly
Slayer
Sonic Youth
Tricky
Queens of the Stone Age

thing...


...the author has his points in his beratement, and has his reasons (which I'm very privy to disagree with, however). I have mine.

If it weren't for tool, I wouldn't have gotten into quite so many bands which I ended up enjoying... so to me it's something I slightly value, and I guess I just hate to see it DE-valued in such a swift and knifing manner.

There's my take on that.
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Old 12-28-03, 11:44 AM   #45
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I AM sorry this thread was hijacked... I honestly don't know what to do with it now...

///kicks thread/// what are you?
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And with a loud "BA-ZAP!" Ragejg disapears in a flash of green along with half the thread....

Don't worry Ragejg, I got this one.
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And with a loud "BA-ZAP!" Ragejg disapears in a flash of green along with half the thread....

Don't worry Ragejg, I got this one.

Honestly though, what else is there to say about Doom ]I[? It isn't out yet, it will hopefully be out soon, and Reznor isn't doing the music. That basically sums up the thread pretty well.

ragejg -

I wasn't trying to make your point any less valid (just want to make that clear). I just wanted your opinion on Tool, and I can appreciate what you wrote and I like a lot of bands off of the list you provide.

I think everyone can take it for granted that opinions will differ, but when it comes to music, I like to know why people think band x sucks or why band y rocks. That's why I asked.
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Honestly though, what else is there to say about Doom ]I[? It isn't out yet, it will hopefully be out soon
And it's gonna suck donkey-balls compared to HL2 and perform better on ATi gear than nVidia gear no matter how hard Johnny-boy tries to rig it.

We could also talk about shadowy corridors, I hear there's going to be some in this new game...
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