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Old 01-01-04, 09:29 AM   #1
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Default Radeon 9600 XT vs. Geforce FX 5600 +

I am in the market for a new mid-range video card under $175. I've been looking around on ebay, and have found a brand new Sapphire Radeon 9600XT 128mb DDR AGP 8x for $140, and an XFX Geforce FX 5600 Ultra 128mb DDR AGP 8x for $140. I'm not too familiar with nVidia stuff, I just upgraded from a 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 to this Geforce 4 MX420 and it didnt take long to realize that I had pretty much wasted money, because the GF4 isnt really that much faster than my old Voodoo... However it is nice to use 32bit.. If I had did some research last time and seen that the GF4 was just a beefed up version of the GF2, I wouldnt have bought it. Does anyone know any good websites that post honest benchmarks between these 2 cards? Also, a Geforce FX 5750 and 5800 could fall into the game also... a lot of people have told me that ATI makes faster cards, but suffer compatibility problems with the drivers... but as far as that goes, I have suffered some game incompatibilities with my GF4. Also, are the FX serier TRUELY DX9 compliant? I know the manufacturer of my GF4 advertised that the card was "optimized for DX 8 / WinXP"... and this card supports nothing of DX 8! No pixel shading or anything!! I appreciate any replies, and any sites showing any kind of review information comparing the two are great
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Old 01-01-04, 10:04 AM   #2
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The 9600 XT is a whole lot better card than the 5600 Ultra, get the 9600 XT and don't look back!
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Old 01-01-04, 10:07 AM   #3
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that's not even a competition--the 9600XT is what, seven months newer than the 5600U? The 5600U is being phased out in favor of the 5700U, but the 5700U is still around $180. for $140... damn, you are not going to beat that 9600XT, especially since it has a HL2 voucher. even the 9600 Pro was neck-and-neck with the 5600U, so the 9600XT should beat it quite handily.

while I prefer NV cards because I've found their drivers to be more stable (in general usage, but I've only had one crash-to-desktop ever with this 5700U, so probably in games too), you are not going to get a better card than the 9600XT for that money. jeez, that's crazy, that thing was going for ~$200 a month ago.

if you want to spend a bit more money, you could find a 5900SE/XT/non-Ultra/whatever for $190, and that should beat the 9600XT in just about everything, including a lot of PS2.0 applications, but it's $50.. that's an amazing price on the 9600XT. heh, Newegg has it for $175--that's a deal.

still, with either one, though, you're going to be quite limited by your processor, motherboard, and RAM. I guess that's the next thing to upgrade..
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Old 01-02-04, 01:04 PM   #4
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Thanx! I didnt know it was that great of a deal, I'm buying from a computer shop close to where I live, and since I have bought so many things there, he always "gives me a deal".. although most of the things I have got recently were like $3-$5 cheaper than what I could have gotten it for online, looks like he's giving me a deal this time though!
And I know my system isn't worthy of this card, nor does it support AGP 8x, so I am upgrading to an XFX Mach 4 NF2S-ALH nForce2 chipset 400Mhz FSB motherboard and a barton (fastest I can afford) processor in March. I've already gotten a 256mb DDR 400 module (that stuff was expensive!) waiting for it, it'll do for now, but I dont feel comfortable with anything less than 384. Thanx again for the opinions..
Do you think there could be any kind of incompatibility issues with the nVidia chipset and the ATI card? I know if I had a company, I would make my product run at sub-standard levels with a rival companies product! lol
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Thanx! I didnt know it was that great of a deal, I'm buying from a computer shop close to where I live, and since I have bought so many things there, he always "gives me a deal".. although most of the things I have got recently were like $3-$5 cheaper than what I could have gotten it for online, looks like he's giving me a deal this time though!
And I know my system isn't worthy of this card, nor does it support AGP 8x, so I am upgrading to an XFX Mach 4 NF2S-ALH nForce2 chipset 400Mhz FSB motherboard and a barton (fastest I can afford) processor in March. I've already gotten a 256mb DDR 400 module (that stuff was expensive!) waiting for it, it'll do for now, but I dont feel comfortable with anything less than 384. Thanx again for the opinions..
Do you think there could be any kind of incompatibility issues with the nVidia chipset and the ATI card? I know if I had a company, I would make my product run at sub-standard levels with a rival company's product! lol
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Thanx! I didnt know it was that great of a deal, I'm buying from a computer shop close to where I live, and since I have bought so many things there, he always "gives me a deal".. although most of the things I have got recently were like $3-$5 cheaper than what I could have gotten it for online, looks like he's giving me a deal this time though!
And I know my system isn't worthy of this card, nor does it support AGP 8x, so I am upgrading to an XFX Mach 4 NF2S-ALH nForce2 chipset 400Mhz FSB motherboard and a barton (fastest I can afford) processor in March. I've already gotten a 256mb DDR 400 module (that stuff was expensive!) waiting for it, it'll do for now, but I dont feel comfortable with anything less than 384. Thanx again for the opinions..
Do you think there could be any kind of incompatibility issues with the nVidia chipset and the ATI card? I know if I had a company, I would make my product run at sub-standard levels with a rival company's product! lol
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I am in the market for a new mid-range video card under $175. I've been looking around on ebay, and have found a brand new Sapphire Radeon 9600XT 128mb DDR AGP 8x for $140, and an XFX Geforce FX 5600 Ultra 128mb DDR AGP 8x for $140. I'm not too familiar with nVidia stuff, I just upgraded from a 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 to this Geforce 4 MX420 and it didnt take long to realize that I had pretty much wasted money, because the GF4 isnt really that much faster than my old Voodoo... However it is nice to use 32bit.. If I had did some research last time and seen that the GF4 was just a beefed up version of the GF2, I wouldnt have bought it. Does anyone know any good websites that post honest benchmarks between these 2 cards? Also, a Geforce FX 5750 and 5800 could fall into the game also... a lot of people have told me that ATI makes faster cards, but suffer compatibility problems with the drivers... but as far as that goes, I have suffered some game incompatibilities with my GF4. Also, are the FX serier TRUELY DX9 compliant? I know the manufacturer of my GF4 advertised that the card was "optimized for DX 8 / WinXP"... and this card supports nothing of DX 8! No pixel shading or anything!! I appreciate any replies, and any sites showing any kind of review information comparing the two are great
First of you very poorly informed
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Geforce 4 MX420 is just a GF 2 as you said beefed up and have no pixel shader support. Nvidia fooled unsuspecting customers by calling it GF4.
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Geforce 4 Titanium 4200 / 4400 / 4600 are way faster then GF 2 or 3
and have full range support for DX 8 and pixel shaders.
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Now Nvidia FX line all cards have support for DX 9 offcourse anything lower then 5700 number is slow to very slow on DX 9 stuff

Ati cards anything above number 9500 have great support for DX 9 and better speed then Nvidias Fx line

Also numbers 8500 to 9200 have only DX8.1 support no DX9.
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Back to your original question Radeon 9600 Pro or XT models are realy good cards , and no there woun't be any compatibility problems between Nvidia Nforce Motherboards and ATI cards , atleast none of us do or so i think and just in case don't waist money on video cards with 256 megs of ram not worth it , 128 is plenty for current generation
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