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Old 08-14-02, 05:40 AM   #1
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Quite an intersting read, here it is...

NV30 probably in shops by December, faster than R300, and possibly expensive due to poor 0.13 micron yields at TSMC.
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Old 08-14-02, 07:33 AM   #2
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Yeilds of 10 to 20 %? OMG thats crazy. I know its a low volume but still thats a lot of wasted silcon unless they can use some for some sub NV30 part.

Then another scary part was this:

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The first NV30 silicon taped-out last week
A cip that complex could need another respin if they find bugs that are not fix able via Software. If that happens it will add time. nV can cut this time down by building wafers a head of time and holding them before the mask stage. Still its a few more weeks to the schedule.

Price is another scary thing. We know with poor yeilds it will drive the cost up. Top that with brand new DDR2 at 400+ mhz and you get expensive memory. Which will probably put this thing at or above the 400+ price range....


I am sorry the more I read about the NV30 the less impressed I am with it. Yes it will be faster than the R300 but thats practily about it. Any beyond DX9 stuff most likely will not get uses in the life time of the part (we have just started using TnL of good ol DX7 and have yet to really start on DX8 games). I am glad nV will have a monster chip on their hands but wow...scary stuff....
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Old 08-14-02, 07:49 AM   #3
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I get the distinct impression that gamers aren't supposed to be that excited by the NV3x feature set. It would appear that the people who should be getting excited are CGI specialists, film companies, and amateur flim creators.

It's surely is going to kick ass and be fast as well, but the CineFX architecture points more towards cgi content than game content. I remember seeing the Videotoaster running in an Amiga A3000 (whic I still have at home, toaster and all) and thinking that it was pretty amazing. And then along Babylon 5, ****e story but the cgi was amazing for the time. And cheap to produce.

When I look at the NV3x stuff I get the same kind of excited feeling I got when I first saw the VT, only it's going to be a whole load more powerful. And in relative terms dirt cheap. If gfx proffesionals take it up then the cut down versions that the main stream will have access to can only benefit from the higher cost of the mainstream part. More money at high level equates to a better margin at main stream level. And that'll be fine for me
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Old 08-14-02, 08:12 AM   #4
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Quite an intersting read, here it is...

NV30 probably in shops by December, faster than R300, and possibly expensive due to poor 0.13 micron yields at TSMC.
Umm, no. Anand's predictions are all based on *0* bugs, no respins whatsoever. And what're the odds of that on a chip this complex being fabbed on a new process? Not bloody likely. The worrisome thing is that will Nvidia ship the first chips with bugs (they have before) in the metal since they're under more competitive pressure than they have been since '99? ATi is definitely in the driver's seat. . .can they stay there?
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Well as an astrophysicist, and I can say I am very excited about NV30!

The potential it has to make a contribution to our work in both graphical (ie. scientific visualisation) and non-graphical (physical simulation) arenas is truly incredible for such a cheap piece of hardware.

Now I just wish they'd get the damned thing on the market, so I can start playing with it!
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Any beyond DX9 stuff most likely will not get uses in the life time of the part
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Who said NV30 is beyond DX9?
Just keep in mind DX9 has not been released and according to the Nvidia CEO NV30 will be released in the DX9 release timeframe.
Rumors say that MS updated DX9 to NV30 specs.
If that is true the R300 won't be a 100% DX9 part.
That would not be the first time MS does that.

We will have to wait and see.
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Old 08-14-02, 08:45 AM   #7
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I have heard that NV30 uses a Pixel Shader version which is beyond DX9......in addition to a few more features...



It looks as though NV30 is the "Right" card......whereas the 9700 Pro will be the "Right Now" card. Anand has come right out and said the NV30 surely beats R300 on paper...I still think it will be tough for many to hold out for an extra month or two.

You can be sure that I'm saving my money for NV30 though...

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Old 08-14-02, 10:27 AM   #8
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Let's be realistic here people.All that cinefx pr is only good on paper!I see this as another DX8 vs DX8.1 shaders.Ati screamed that their shaders were more flexible & had more instructions and nvidia said that they mean nothing as they will not be used in radeon 8500's life span.
The bottom line is this,is nv30 faster than radeon 9700 and if so how much?What about fssa & aniso speed?If nv30 is 10-20% faster without fsaa & aniso(according to specs) and radeon 9700 is faster using fsaa & aniso?If the rumor about 200million triangles for nv30 how does it stand against radeon 9700's 325million?
And last but not least what if nv30 ends up beeing 100-150$ more than radeon 9700,is it really worth the 10% additional speed?Price is essential!!
Many questions but no answers?

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Old 08-14-02, 10:34 AM   #9
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It looks as though NV30 is the "Right" card......whereas the 9700 Pro will be the "Right Now" card. Anand has come right out and said the NV30 surely beats R300 on paper...
Remember how good 8500 looked on paper too( not that i dont think 8500 is a good card, but just making the point that paper tigers dont mean much)
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Good point.....
The only way we'll know for sure is to get ahold of some actual benchmarks....

As for the price, I highly doubt it will be priced any more than $50 over R300.....I certainly don't call the shots at NVIDIA though so we'll just have to wait and see on that issue as well...

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Yup..i wish the benches and reviews would start flowing. Perhaps in the next couple days they will with Quakecon coming and all.

Youre probably right on the pricing, Nvidia needs to keep it close to the 9700 in that area. I wonder how much of a hit they will have to take on the profit margins with the yields being reported to be as bad as they are.
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A little birdie told me the 19th is when you should see real reviews. Roumor has it that some sights are done with their reviews and waiting for that day.....
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