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Old 06-25-05, 06:53 PM   #13
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Hi,
'embedded' is totally and completly different from 'rendering farms'

Even if netbsd is nice for ovens, washing machines and dryers, what does that say about its usefullness as a graphics-workstation?

also, 'embedded' products, like freezer-control, microwave-ovens, or set-top boxes usually do not need any graphics capability execept displaying some numbers on small lcds.
So, when NetBSD is first choice for embedded products, there are even less reasons, to give it great graphics capabilities...

Besides the 'friendly' bsd-license also means, that if you help BSD, all you competitors will have advantages.. and do not have to give anything back.

BSD is a scientific license.. made to make it able to built upon, and the GPL was made, to keep free, what is made free.

Do you see the difference?


EDIT:

game consoles are totally different.. but ever seen one with net-bsd?
I have not, ans there will bne some reasons, why nobody uses it for gc.. maybe, because it is almost as slow, as openbsd? Or almost as friendly?)
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Old 06-25-05, 07:16 PM   #14
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I was speaking about how NetBSD portable code and friendly license has brought their code to both hardware and software. Of course I didn't meant for a gaming console to use NetBSD as a whole, but they can take code and use it, and so they've done mostly with its TCP/IP stack.

Of course an OS is more than just its TCP/IP stack, I just meant to show you that the NetBSD user base *for the code* is not that small.

As of the userbase *for the OS*, which is the one that matters most in terms of getting support from NVIDIA, it's smaller but has been growing well after NetBSD 2.0 .

Performance is better than FreeBSD 5.x for single-processor machines and is more considered this days as a desktop alternative than ever before.

But if the point of NVIDIA support for Linux/FreeBSD/Solaris is "rendering farms", then I understand why NetBSD isn't supported. SMP works better in FreeBSD than in NetBSD, and other possible rendering farm architectures like MIPS already have their own graphic boards (SGI).

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Old 06-25-05, 09:24 PM   #15
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Hi,

hm,
> Performance is better than FreeBSD 5.x for single-processor machines and is more considered this days as a desktop alternative than ever before.

too bad, that single-processor (or more correctly single-core machines) are going away

but saince I will not be able to buy a 'modern' computer anytime, I m,ight try netbsd... it can not be worse than obsd
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Old 06-26-05, 03:44 AM   #16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by energyman76b
Hi,

too bad, that single-processor (or more correctly single-core machines) are going away

but saince I will not be able to buy a 'modern' computer anytime, I m,ight try netbsd... it can not be worse than obsd
This may help your decision

Benchmark Comparison of NetBSD 2.0 and FreeBSD 5.3
http://www.feyrer.de/NetBSD/gmcgarry/

Real world benchmark between NetBSD 2.0, OpenBSD 3.6 and Fedora Core 3
http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?...d&cid=11319773

Xen benchmark between NetBSD and Linux
http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/xendom0/xendom0.html

Another comparison between FreeBSD and NetBSD
http://www.feyrer.de/NetBSD/blog.html#20050327_1403

Porting full NetBSD to 64-bit Opteron took only two days
http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/2003/04/Outside78.html



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Old 06-27-05, 10:35 PM   #17
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Hi,
remember this?
http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/

I do... so.. I know that nbsd is faster than obsd (and that is nice.. obsd is so slow, you can FEEL the crawling )
but I didn't knew, that it became faster than fbsd.. nice done folks... hm, only boot floppies? thats bad.. hmhm.. *lookfurther*



Edit: found them..
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Old 06-29-05, 08:29 AM   #18
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I've also posted a thread at freebsdforums.org about this, may help to gather info as development goes.

3D support under NetBSD
http://www.freebsdforums.org/forums/...threadid=32267

About NetBSD install CDs:
http://www.netbsd.org/mirrors/#iso
ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/iso/...cd.iso.torrent

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Old 10-04-05, 11:55 AM   #19
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I'm also for a NetBSD driver.
If someone from NVidia reads this:
You only need to port the kernel module and recompile the XServer-Modul. That way, you will get a few thousand new customers. Same for OpenBSD. I'm sure that most of the NetBSD users will buy an NVidia card if you are faster releasing one than ATI. It's very likely that the ATI drivers are running soon on NetBSD and a little later on OpenBSD, too (I guess OpenBSD will port DRI from NetBSD). Adding the number of users of NetBSD and OpenBSD, then it's a few hundred thousands. If only 10% buy a good NVidia card, for example one of the 6800 series, than wouldn't that be worth it?
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