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Old 03-18-04, 10:38 PM   #1
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Default nforce, fedora, and eyebuggin'.

Days AND Days of troubleshootin, googlin, and eyebuggin. Having no sound is hard on the eyes! [

I have nForce2 audio and network built into my motherboard. I just installed Fedora Core 1 last week and neither one was working. 3 days ago I installed this package: NVIDIA_nforce-1.0-0261.src.rpm
I followed the instructions included. Built a binary, and ran 'rpm -U --force' <package.rpm> Immediately my network card was alive! HOOOOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!! Unfortunately my sound card is still not doing a damn thing.

Here are my system specifications and symptoms...
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LSPCI output
00:00.0 Host bridge: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AGP (different version?) (rev a2)
00:00.1 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation nForce2 Memory Controller 1 (rev a2)
00:00.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation nForce2 Memory Controller 4 (rev a2)
00:00.3 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation nForce2 Memory Controller 3 (rev a2)
00:00.4 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation nForce2 Memory Controller 2 (rev a2)
00:00.5 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation nForce2 Memory Controller 5 (rev a2)
00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation nForce2 ISA Bridge (rev a4)
00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation nForce2 SMBus (MCP) (rev a2)
00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 USB Controller (rev a4)
00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 USB Controller (rev a4)
00:02.2 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 USB Controller (rev a4)
00:04.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 Ethernet Controller (rev a1)
00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)
00:08.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation nForce2 External PCI Bridge (rev a3)
00:09.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation nForce2 IDE (rev a2)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AGP (rev a2)
01:08.0 Modem: ALi Corporation SmartLink SmartPCI561 56K Modem
02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU] (rev a3)





DMESG output

[root@localhost josh]# dmesg
y using pci=biosirq.
usb-ohci.c: found OHCI device with no IRQ assigned. check BIOS settings!
PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin B of device 00:02.1. Please try using pci=bi osirq.
usb-ohci.c: found OHCI device with no IRQ assigned. check BIOS settings!
parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE]
parport0: irq 7 detected
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lots of goop
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lp0: using parport0 (polling).
lp0: console ready
Intel 810 + AC97 Audio, version 0.24, 16:46:20 Feb 18 2004
PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 00:06.0. Please try using pci=bi osirq.
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:06.0 to 64
i810: NVIDIA nForce Audio found at IO 0xd800 and 0xd400, MEM 0x0000 and 0x0000, IRQ 0
i810_audio: unable to allocate irq 0
Intel 810 + AC97 Audio, version 0.24, 16:46:20 Feb 18 2004
PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 00:06.0. Please try using pci=bi osirq.
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:06.0 to 64
i810: NVIDIA nForce Audio found at IO 0xd800 and 0xd400, MEM 0x0000 and 0x0000, IRQ 0
i810_audio: unable to allocate irq 0
Intel 810 + AC97 Audio, version 0.24, 16:46:20 Feb 18 2004
PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 00:06.0. Please try using pci=bi osirq.
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:06.0 to 64
i810: NVIDIA nForce Audio found at IO 0xd800 and 0xd400, MEM 0x0000 and 0x0000, IRQ 0
i810_audio: unable to allocate irq 0
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lots more goop... keeps barking about IRQ 0.


OUTPUT OF MODPROBE:

[root@localhost josh]# modprobe nvaudio
/lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2174.nptl/kernel/drivers/sound/nvaudio.o: init_module: No such device
Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters.
You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg
/lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2174.nptl/kernel/drivers/sound/nvaudio.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2174.nptl/kernel/drivers/sound/nvaudio.o failed
/lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2174.nptl/kernel/drivers/sound/nvaudio.o: insmod nvaudio failed





The /etc/module.config FILE

alias usb-controller usb-ohci
alias usb-controller1 ehci-hcd
alias eth0 nvnet
alias usb-interface usb-ohci
alias sound-slot-0 i810_audio
post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
(END)






UNAME -r output

[root@localhost josh]# uname -r
2.4.22-1.2174.nptl

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I think I just need to specify the IO, IRQ, etc. etc. to the module. All that IRQ 0 stuff looks to me to be the cause. I know that my soundcard uses the following I/O ranges: D400-D4FF and D800-D87F. The following Memory Range: ED001000 - ED001FFF. This IRQ: 22. If anyone can help me I'll owe you a beer for the rest of my life!!!

Thanks. josh
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Old 03-19-04, 07:33 AM   #2
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What was the reason for using the --force option to install the package?
(was there something conflicting? this should be avoided like the plague.. until you really need it)

Take a look at 'lspci -v' for a bit more verbose info about where the system thinks the card is. An irq option is usually given in this format (my ethernet tulip module as an example):
alias eth0 tulip
options tulip irq=18

I don't know if this is valid for the nvaudio module, but you can give it a shot.
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Old 03-19-04, 09:08 AM   #3
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LordMorgul,

Thanks for the reply, and thanks for the links. I'll give one of the rpm's you linked a shot later tonight. BTW, I used the --force option because when I tried to do an rpm -U I got the message that I already had a newer driver installed.

g'day.
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AFAIK the packagers linked in my sig have not done nForce drivers yet, only the video drivers. Rebuilding the src rpm like you did is the appropriate way to go for you currently. Most likely the configuration of the module is to blame, but since I don't have an nForce system to fiddle with I cannot verify any settings that will work for you. Try to get the module to recognize the correct irq first.

btw: there are open source drivers to handle all the nForce 2 hardware (or so it was reported to me..). If you have no success with the official drivers you may want to look into it. Visit #fedora on irc.freenode.net and ask about OSS nforce drivers.
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Hello

Some of the error messages (for example: PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 00:06.0. Please try using pci=bi osirq and others that look similar) remind me of my own modem problems. Fedora did not recognize the modem, manual configuration failed as if the modem did not exist (even though it ran perfectly fine when booting the PC into Windows)

After a lot of research it turned out to be a PCI configuration problem. To fix it, try the following.

1. When powering up the PC, hit F1 or Del to enter BIOS.
2. Find and DISABLE anything that looks like "PnP OS" or "Plug and Play OS".
3. Save the changes to the BIOS and reboot.

After that I actually reinstalled Fedora from scratch, but it may be enough just to reboot.

This fixed my problem and it may solve yours as it clears out any PCI addressing snafus. Built-in sound chip and video chip use PCI to shuffle data around and any problems with the bus addressing will cause the devices to stop working.

Good luck.

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Greg,

Thanks for the response. I tried turning off the PnP in my bios. It definately changed the equation, unfortunately it hasn't fixed things.




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RESULT OF DMESG
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[josh@localhost josh]$ dmesg
cates Medium not present
sdb : block size assumed to be 512 bytes, disk size 1GB.
sdb: test WP failed, assume Write Enabled
sdb: I/O error: dev 08:10, sector 0
I/O error: dev 08:10, sector 0
unable to read partition table
sda: Unit Not Ready, sense:
Current 00:00: sense key Not Ready
Additional sense indicates Medium not present
sdb: Unit Not Ready, sense:
Info fld=0x0, Current 00:00: sense key Not Ready
Additional sense indicates Medium not present
sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
sda : status = 1, message = 00, host = 0, driver = 08
Current sd00:00: sense key Not Ready
Additional sense indicates Medium not present
sda : block size assumed to be 512 bytes, disk size 1GB.
sda: test WP failed, assume Write Enabled
sda: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
unable to read partition table
sdb : READ CAPACITY failed.
sdb : status = 1, message = 00, host = 0, driver = 08
Info fld=0x0, Current sd00:00: sense key Not Ready
Additional sense indicates Medium not present
sdb : block size assumed to be 512 bytes, disk size 1GB.
sdb: test WP failed, assume Write Enabled
sdb: I/O error: dev 08:10, sector 0
I/O error: dev 08:10, sector 0
unable to read partition table
sdb: Unit Not Ready, sense:
Info fld=0x0, Current 00:00: sense key Not Ready
Additional sense indicates Medium not present
sdb : READ CAPACITY failed.
sdb : status = 1, message = 00, host = 0, driver = 08
Info fld=0x0, Current sd00:00: sense key Not Ready
Additional sense indicates Medium not present
sdb : block size assumed to be 512 bytes, disk size 1GB.
sdb: test WP failed, assume Write Enabled
sdb: I/O error: dev 08:10, sector 0
I/O error: dev 08:10, sector 0
unable to read partition table
sdb: Unit Not Ready, sense:
Info fld=0x0, Current 00:00: sense key Not Ready
Additional sense indicates Medium not present
sdb : READ CAPACITY failed.
sdb : status = 1, message = 00, host = 0, driver = 08
Info fld=0x0, Current sd00:00: sense key Not Ready
Additional sense indicates Medium not present
sdb : block size assumed to be 512 bytes, disk size 1GB.
sdb: test WP failed, assume Write Enabled
sdb: I/O error: dev 08:10, sector 0
I/O error: dev 08:10, sector 0
unable to read partition table
inserting floppy driver for 2.4.22-1.2174.nptl
Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
sda: Unit Not Ready, sense:
Current 00:00: sense key Not Ready
Additional sense indicates Medium not present
sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
sda : status = 1, message = 00, host = 0, driver = 08
Current sd00:00: sense key Not Ready
Additional sense indicates Medium not present
sda : block size assumed to be 512 bytes, disk size 1GB.
sda: test WP failed, assume Write Enabled
sda: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
unable to read partition table
sda: Unit Not Ready, sense:
Current 00:00: sense key Not Ready
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GOOP JUST LIKE ABOVE FOR <> 400 LINES
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kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds
EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.19, 19 August 2002 on ide0(3,65), internal journal
EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
hdc: attached ide-cdrom driver.
hdc: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache, UDMA(33)
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12
hdd: attached ide-scsi driver.
scsi2 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
Vendor: SAMSUNG Model: CD-R/RW SW-248F Rev: R601
Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE]
parport0: irq 7 detected
Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
sda: Unit Not Ready, sense:
Current 00:00: sense key Not Ready
Additional sense indicates Medium not present
sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
sda : status = 1, message = 00, host = 0, driver = 08
Current sd00:00: sense key Not Ready
Additional sense indicates Medium not present
sda : block size assumed to be 512 bytes, disk size 1GB.
sda: test WP failed, assume Write Enabled
sda: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
unable to read partition table
sdb: Unit Not Ready, sense:
Info fld=0x0, Current 00:00: sense key Not Ready
Additional sense indicates Medium not present
sdb : READ CAPACITY failed.
sdb : status = 1, message = 00, host = 0, driver = 08
Info fld=0x0, Current sd00:00: sense key Not Ready
Additional sense indicates Medium not present
sdb : block size assumed to be 512 bytes, disk size 1GB.
sdb: test WP failed, assume Write Enabled
sdb: I/O error: dev 08:10, sector 0
I/O error: dev 08:10, sector 0
unable to read partition table
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:04.0 to 64
divert: allocating divert_blk for eth0
divert: freeing divert_blk for eth0
ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team
ip_conntrack version 2.1 (3583 buckets, 28664 max) - 292 bytes per conntrack
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:04.0 to 64
divert: allocating divert_blk for eth0
parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE]
parport0: irq 7 detected
lp0: using parport0 (polling).
lp0: console ready
Intel 810 + AC97 Audio, version 0.24, 16:46:20 Feb 18 2004
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:06.0 to 64
i810: NVIDIA nForce Audio found at IO 0xd800 and 0xd400, MEM 0x0000 and 0x0000, IRQ 5
i810_audio: Audio Controller supports 6 channels.
i810_audio: Defaulting to base 2 channel mode.
i810_audio: Resetting connection 0
ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: ALG32 (ALC650)
i810_audio: AC'97 codec 0, new EID value = 0x05c7
i810_audio: AC'97 codec 0, DAC map configured, total channels = 6



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RESULT OF LSPCI -V
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[root@localhost root]# lspci -v
00:00.0 Host bridge: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AGP (different version?) (rev a2)
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, fast devsel, latency 0
Memory at e8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=32M]
Capabilities: [40] AGP version 2.0
Capabilities: [60] #08 [2001]

00:00.1 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation nForce2 Memory Controller 1 (rev a2)
Subsystem: FIRST INTERNATIONAL Computer Inc: Unknown device 904d
Flags: 66Mhz, fast devsel

00:00.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation nForce2 Memory Controller 4 (rev a2)
Subsystem: FIRST INTERNATIONAL Computer Inc: Unknown device 904d
Flags: 66Mhz, fast devsel

00:00.3 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation nForce2 Memory Controller 3 (rev a2)
Subsystem: FIRST INTERNATIONAL Computer Inc: Unknown device 904d
Flags: 66Mhz, fast devsel

00:00.4 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation nForce2 Memory Controller 2 (rev a2)
Subsystem: FIRST INTERNATIONAL Computer Inc: Unknown device 904d
Flags: 66Mhz, fast devsel

00:00.5 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation nForce2 Memory Controller 5 (rev a2)
Subsystem: FIRST INTERNATIONAL Computer Inc: Unknown device 904d
Flags: 66Mhz, fast devsel

00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation nForce2 ISA Bridge (rev a4)
Subsystem: FIRST INTERNATIONAL Computer Inc: Unknown device 904d
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, fast devsel, latency 0
Capabilities: [48] #08 [01e1]

00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation nForce2 SMBus (MCP) (rev a2)
Subsystem: FIRST INTERNATIONAL Computer Inc: Unknown device 904d
Flags: 66Mhz, fast devsel, IRQ 3
I/O ports at e400 [size=32]
Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2

00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 USB Controller (rev a4) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
Subsystem: FIRST INTERNATIONAL Computer Inc: Unknown device 904d
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 5
Memory at ed003000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2

00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 USB Controller (rev a4) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
Subsystem: FIRST INTERNATIONAL Computer Inc: Unknown device 904d
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10
Memory at ed004000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2

00:02.2 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 USB Controller (rev a4) (prog-if 20 [EHCI])
Subsystem: FIRST INTERNATIONAL Computer Inc: Unknown device 904d
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
Memory at ed005000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
Capabilities: [44] #0a [2080]
Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2

00:04.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 Ethernet Controller (rev a1)
Subsystem: FIRST INTERNATIONAL Computer Inc: Unknown device 904d
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
Memory at ed000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
I/O ports at d000 [size=8]
Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2

00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)
Subsystem: FIRST INTERNATIONAL Computer Inc: Unknown device 904d
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 5
I/O ports at d400 [size=256]
I/O ports at d800 [size=128]
Memory at ed001000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2

00:08.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation nForce2 External PCI Bridge (rev a3) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, fast devsel, latency 0
Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=32
I/O behind bridge: 0000c000-0000cfff
Memory behind bridge: ec000000-ecffffff

00:09.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation nForce2 IDE (rev a2) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
Subsystem: FIRST INTERNATIONAL Computer Inc: Unknown device 904d
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, fast devsel, latency 0
I/O ports at f000 [size=16]
Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2

00:1e.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AGP (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 32
Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, subordinate=02, sec-latency=32
Memory behind bridge: ea000000-ebffffff
Prefetchable memory behind bridge: e0000000-e7ffffff

01:08.0 Modem: ALi Corporation SmartLink SmartPCI561 56K Modem (prog-if 00 [Generic])
Subsystem: ARCHTEK TELECOM Corp: Unknown device 9100
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 3
Memory at ec000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
I/O ports at c000 [size=256]
Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2

02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU] (rev a3) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
Subsystem: FIRST INTERNATIONAL Computer Inc: Unknown device 904d
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 10
Memory at ea000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M]
Memory at e4000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=512K]
Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=128K]
Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2
Capabilities: [44] AGP version 2.0

[root@localhost root]#


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RESULT OF MODPROBE NVAUDIO
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[root@localhost root]# modprobe nvaudio
/lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2174.nptl/kernel/drivers/sound/nvaudio.o: init_module: No such device
Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters.
You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg
/lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2174.nptl/kernel/drivers/sound/nvaudio.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2174.nptl/kernel/drivers/sound/nvaudio.o failed
/lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2174.nptl/kernel/drivers/sound/nvaudio.o: insmod nvaudio failed


UGGGGGH.

So that is what I look like after turning off PnP. It does seem to allow the IRQ to set up right, but i'm not so sure i like the look of all those unhappy messages that replaced them. But as you can see, when i modprobe I still get the same error. I have also tried using fedora's GUI based configuration tool, but it fails to play a test sound and then tells me that I won't be able to use the sound device.

See that last error... where it says insmod nvaudio failed? does that mean that the module cannot be inserted? Perhaps I could have made a mistake building the module, although if that were the case i don't see why the audio would fail while the network of the same build functioned...

Any other suggestions out there? I'm kinda stuck.

josh
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Hello

I am a Linux newbie and cannot offer much more help. Your original error messages were similar to mine and I shared a solution that solved my problem, sorry if it did not work for you.

Try www.linuxhelp.net as well as poke aroung google groups (this is where I found my fix; the whole article is pretty technical, I did not get any of it but decided to try their fix and it worked).

Hope you get your system up and running soon.

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I appreciated your suggestions. I'll keep looking around for solutions, but i'm about out of steam. I have a windows partition, and I suppose if i want to hear sound i can just boot up on that side. Right now I think the thing I need to do is compile a custom kernel, but given my cluelessness on that subject I expect it to be a pretty painfull and time consuming process. Maybe someday I'll get to it. Meanwhile I can hope that when fedora core 2 comes out the problem will just go away... Or I could try another distro... another painfull and time consuming avenue... Sigh.

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