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Old 04-06-04, 09:10 PM   #1
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Default The OS inequity must STOP!

It seems to me that with every new linux kernel release there is an increase in the complexity of installing drivers for linux. I read the threads and the posts here and wonder when and if it will become a simple affair to install our drivers. I am all linux. I love linux, and we deserve the same ease of use as the other operating systems out there. Please do not assume that I dont appreciate the fact that NVIDIA supports linux. However that doesn't change the fact that some of us work for hours to get our drivers installed and running correctly. Its a headache and its a chore, and we as the linux community deserve better. A lot of new users are attracted to Linux, until they realize that they have to spend hours installing relatively simple drivers, just have the same level of play they are afforded in proprietary platforms. Do us all a favor and make as much of the source code as open as possible. Or come up with a better way for us to install our drivers across a wide range of kernels from legacy to testing. We deserve better. We demand better.
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Hmm, I think I understand what you mean as in double click the installer and have it install but there are various differences in linux with .rpm binary and source based distro's. It's pointless at this point to open source the drivers. It's there technology and opening the driver may give hints to there competitors on inside things about there vid cards.

What I think they should have to make things easier is to have all distro makers make sure they include the source for there kernel they use. It is pointless to run a linux OS without the source for the kernel as it is needed anyway.

They may also include something to automatically parse the x86config file to change vesa or nv to nvidia and make sure glx is uncommented.

Other than that some distro's like Arch linux need the nvidia name put into the /etc/rc.local file in the modules line.

This is not something that they can include for every distro. You want to make the driver as easy as possible with every distro then you need to make all the different linux distro's out there the same as possible so the driver just works. No if ands or buts.

To me it is not a kernel issue or driver issue. It is the main differences in the different distro's that is the problem.
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Old 04-06-04, 11:52 PM   #3
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I dont know what your talking about, the 2.6 is much easier to compile and the nvidia drivers work very well if not better with 2.6. You talk about drivers being a chore, well a Windows driver can be a real bitch to say the least.
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Old 04-07-04, 12:28 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by frogowar
It seems to me that with every new linux kernel release there is an increase in the complexity of installing drivers for linux.
This is distribution and hardware specific. For me, installing the NV driver is as simple as:

emerge nvidia-kernel
emerge nvidia-glx
set driver to nvidia in XF86CONFIG

If this is not the case with your rig, then I sincerely appologize for the invention of RPM based distributions and chipsets with poorly supported (under linux) agp implementations

Thank you for your time,
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Old 04-07-04, 12:47 AM   #5
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Simpler install methods are a must, however I do not think that nVIDIA can handle doing it all themselves, simply because there are too many differences between distros. What can be done is for the major distro's own communities to generate the proper wrapper installers. I know that gentoo, debian, mandrake, and fedora all have something available to help in this.. some of the solutions are better than others but there are people working on it.

Whether the license on the driver actually allows this repackaging and distribution or not I do not know (have not even looked) -- if not then nVIDIA should certainly consider helping in that regard. I think they have done a fine job of making the current CLI installer capable of operating politely in scripts.

RPM based distros are not to blame, eager helpers created the emerge for gentoo and the same can be done (with the same capability) for RPM.
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Old 04-07-04, 10:21 AM   #6
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The simple problem is that linux is not an operating system. It's just the kernel. Beyond that, different distributions can be fundamentally different from each other. The linux phenomenon is also very much a user-supported one; if you want to try your hand at building a better installer, be our guest.
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Old 04-07-04, 08:50 PM   #7
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well, the installation is dead easy, if you ever have a look into the README.
And a lot of/most problems posted here are people, who apparantly did not read the README/install instructions. (Like the people with Glcore, dri or 'nv' in their XF86Configs..). If you make something fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it...
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