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Old 04-18-04, 07:47 AM   #1
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Default NVIDIA-5336 + latest 2.6 kernel problems

I am testing the Fedora Core Test2 system and using the NVIDIA-5336 driver. This worked until recently.

After updating the Fedora kernel from 2.6.3.x to 2.6.4.x
the system started locking up when X loaded. This problem still occurs with the Fedora 2.6.5.x kernel.

Apparently there is a problem involving 4K stacks.

I was able to compile the 2.6.4 and 2.6.5 kernel from
kernel.org by setting the 4K_Stack parameter = false and building the kernel from source.
However, with the latest release of the 2.6.6-rc1 kernel that option no longer seems to work.

I am now getting errors when I attempt to install the
NVIDIA-5336 kernel. The build process reports an error
"Unable to determine system version" and the video driver install process then aborts. I am currently running the
2.6.6-rc1 kernel using the built in NV driver which does no support accelerated graphics.

I hope some one fixes this soon.




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Old 04-18-04, 08:26 AM   #2
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Default Re: NVIDIA-5336 + latest 2.6 kernel problems

Wait for the full release, the 4stack is for testing left in on theses releases, use the 2.6.5.
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Old 04-18-04, 02:38 PM   #3
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Default Re: NVIDIA-5336 + latest 2.6 kernel problems

I don't think that these settings, i.e. the 4KSTACKS kernel option are temporary in the least.

Fedora Core 2 will be released with this option on. Right now that means that the Nvidia 3D accelerated drivers are incompatible with this distribution. It also means that future releases of the kernel(this will be a default soon) will be incompatible with the Nvidia drivers.

Does this mean I have to go and buy an ATI card?
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Old 04-18-04, 02:47 PM   #4
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Hi,

as soon as the major distribs are using this, as soon you can expect nvidia to make the relevant changes.
And if you have probs with nvidia, do not touch ATI.
Their linux drivers are total crap.
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Old 04-18-04, 02:51 PM   #5
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Default Re: NVIDIA-5336 + latest 2.6 kernel problems

That is an interesting point you make. Since there is no way for anyone in the community to recompile the drivers we are stuck waiting for the folks at Nvidia to make a change...They will have to go through several weeks of QA before they post a public release, so basically no Unreal Tournement for me?
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Old 04-18-04, 02:51 PM   #6
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I don't think that these settings, i.e. the 4KSTACKS kernel option are temporary in the least.

Fedora Core 2 will be released with this option on. Right now that means that the Nvidia 3D accelerated drivers are incompatible with this distribution. It also means that future releases of the kernel(this will be a default soon) will be incompatible with the Nvidia drivers.

Does this mean I have to go and buy an ATI card?
We have had this before and when the final release comes it gets thrown out, whats is the problem?, if you dont like the 4kSTACKS stick with 2.6.5 then.
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Old 04-18-04, 03:25 PM   #7
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Default Re: NVIDIA-5336 + latest 2.6 kernel problems

Well...I will attempt to avoid a flame war here, but the point needs to be made that the Nvidia drivers(while seemingly very good) are closed source(binary only).

So, if a change (any change) is made in Linux that makes the drivers incompatible with the new way of doing things, you have to either stay with what works, or don't use the Nvidia drivers.

Just a point I am trying to make here...It makes enhancements difficult when a major part of the Linux community is waiting on a single component to be released. Whereas if the drivers were open to the community, enhancements to the driver could be made simultaneously.
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Hi,

well I just built a 2.6.6-rc1 without 4k and without mregparm=3. Nvidia working fine.
There is no real problem
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Old 04-18-04, 05:56 PM   #9
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Well...I will attempt to avoid a flame war here, but the point needs to be made that the Nvidia drivers(while seemingly very good) are closed source(binary only).

So, if a change (any change) is made in Linux that makes the drivers incompatible with the new way of doing things, you have to either stay with what works, or don't use the Nvidia drivers.

Just a point I am trying to make here...It makes enhancements difficult when a major part of the Linux community is waiting on a single component to be released. Whereas if the drivers were open to the community, enhancements to the driver could be made simultaneously.
Over and over again you people bang on about nvidia opensourcing there driver, are they responsable for people who like to change kernels every 5mins for no reason?, no.

Like energyman76b said you can build it without 4k so instead of blaming nvidia look at your own issues first.
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Well...This specific change acutally improves the performance of linux...so it is a good thing.

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Now as far as my ranting about open-sourcing the driver, I don't mind it if changes are made to the kernel. Like you pointed out, you can change the 4KSTACKS option and recompile your kernel BECAUSE it is open source.
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What do the folks at Nvidia think about this change to the Kernel...?
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I dont see me complaining and you'll find that its the people who like to recompile and use patches that complains.

No doubt the 2.6.6 will work fine and then it will start all over again in the next batch, maybe you will get to play a 3d game or your to busy recompiling all the time
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Default Re: NVIDIA-5336 + latest 2.6 kernel problems

FC2 will ship with 4KSTACKS (in rawhide it is currently NOT even an option). Unless, as suggested by SuLinUX the whole thing is dropped before release (this is not likely if you read what the kernel maintainers have said re: this topic, see this: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedor.../msg01623.html)

It will probably become mainstream and the option removed shortly.. if/when that happens we will wait for nVIDIA Engineers to complete changes, and for QA to sign off, before we enjoy using the drivers once more with bleeding edge kernels. Until then.. run more than one kernel (one that works, one to play with bleeding edge).
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