Thief 3 Deadly Shadows thread - Page 8

**Shamrock** · 05-30-04, 10:20 PM

Another "adaptive Algorithm" Mike?

Sorry, I just had to do it!

Filibuster · 05-30-04, 10:20 PM

Mike you are right...I think all lighting in the game is completely real (no predefined shadows, even those cast by walls, etc.

Personally I play at 640x480 2x "multisampling" (in game setting) with every detail on and it runs about 25fps (fraps) which is more than fast enough for Thief. The thing I don't understand is if I turn all the details down and play at 800x600 it runs much slower, especially in shadow heavy scenes (like through metal bars). I have an Athlon XP 1800 and GF5200 Ultra...do you think its cpu or video limited? (I know, the answer is "both!"

Maybe I'll borrow a 5900 from work and find out.

The only thing I can't stand is the level load times...why couldn't they have loaded the full map into memory on the PC....grrr xbox...
Deus Ex 2 was bad about this too.

But seriously...its a bad game because it doesn't run at 100fps??

svetli_pp · 05-31-04, 03:33 AM

It's your video card. FX5200 is not a game card at all. Its 2 times slower than Ti4200. Get at least 5700Ultra. I'm waiting to try the game on my 5900XT to see if it's playable at 1024 everything on max, couse I don't like to play games at lower resolution. My monitor is 19" and it's terrible to play 640 or 800.

Cloud76 · 05-31-04, 03:34 AM

Is Thief3 using PS 2.0? If it uses PS3.0 any comparison between 6800 and ATI hardware (r3xx and r4xx) on highest detail is highly incorect.

Skinner · 05-31-04, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud76

Is Thief3 using PS 2.0? If it uses PS3.0 any comparison between 6800 and ATI hardware (r3xx and r4xx) on highest detail is highly incorect.

Nope, no ps 2.0 AFAIK.

MikeC, how is performance without AA but in 1280 with 8 AFwith the 6800?

ElderDruid · 05-31-04, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by svetli_pp

It's your video card. FX5200 is not a game card at all. Its 2 times slower than Ti4200. Get at least 5700Ultra. I'm waiting to try the game on my 5900XT to see if it's playable at 1024 everything on max, couse I don't like to play games at lower resolution. My monitor is 19" and it's terrible to play 640 or 800.

I have a 5900XT, and I get 20-25 FPS at 1024x768 with 4x multisampling turned on. For the most part it's playable because you have to move so slowly most of the time anyway.

There are so many times (and this has just been in the demo) that I have to stop and stare at a scene because it looks so awesome.

Filibuster · 05-31-04, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElderDruid

I have a 5900XT, and I get 20-25 FPS at 1024x768 with 4x multisampling turned on. For the most part it's playable because you have to move so slowly most of the time anyway.

There are so many times (and this has just been in the demo) that I have to stop and stare at a scene because it looks so awesome.

What cpu do you have?

Arioch · 05-31-04, 11:27 AM

This game is coded horribly. On my X800 Pro (FX-53 CPU) the game will run decent, but not great at 1600x1200 with everything turned on and the multisampling left at none. When I turn on the in-game multisampling to 4X the minimum framerates at some sections jump down into the teens. Seeing as a game more advanced like Far Cry runs a lot better than this it is inexcusable.

But like I posted earlier, I expected this from a console port.

ElderDruid · 05-31-04, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Filibuster

What cpu do you have?

Athlon 2500. 1GB memory.

ElderDruid · 05-31-04, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arioch

This game is coded horribly. On my X800 Pro (FX-53 CPU) the game will run decent, but not great at 1600x1200 with everything turned on and the multisampling left at none. When I turn on the in-game multisampling to 4X the minimum framerates at some sections jump down into the teens. Seeing as a game more advanced like Far Cry runs a lot better than this it is inexcusable.

But like I posted earlier, I expected this from a console port.

I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect to play Thief at 1600x1200. Also, that resolution will not look much better than 1024x768 with 4x MS, especially considering the textures that are used by the game. Let us know what kind of frame rate you get with 1024 and 4x MS. I'm sure it will be more than acceptable.

Arioch · 05-31-04, 02:19 PM

Well the game runs pretty well at a lower resolution but I guess my point is that with this card there should be no reason that I can't play at 1600x1200 with 4AA.

I am sure the game is fun for those people that like this type of gameplay but it's not my thing.

One thing that bugs me is the lack of resolution options. I know some people with LCDs need 1280x1024 but it would have been nice to have 1280x960 as an option since its a true 4:3 aspect ratio setting. I would also have like an option to play above 1600x1200 as in some games I can get better performance that way and eliminate the need for AA since the jaggies are not even noticeable. It's a small nitpick but since I own a spiffy Mitsubishi 2070SB monitor that can play up to 2048x1536@85Hz I like having more options.

Rob_0126 · 05-31-04, 02:28 PM

Next thing yah know, people will want their monitors to run at 8192x7680 with 16x aliasing and 50 dynamic shadows per screen.

Cray, anyone?

05-30-04, 10:20 PM	#85
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05-30-04, 10:20 PM	#86
Filibuster 1000 Needles! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mishawaka, IN USA Posts: 149	Re: Thief 3 Deadly Shadows Thread Mike you are right...I think all lighting in the game is completely real (no predefined shadows, even those cast by walls, etc. Personally I play at 640x480 2x "multisampling" (in game setting) with every detail on and it runs about 25fps (fraps) which is more than fast enough for Thief. The thing I don't understand is if I turn all the details down and play at 800x600 it runs much slower, especially in shadow heavy scenes (like through metal bars). I have an Athlon XP 1800 and GF5200 Ultra...do you think its cpu or video limited? (I know, the answer is "both!" Maybe I'll borrow a 5900 from work and find out. The only thing I can't stand is the level load times...why couldn't they have loaded the full map into memory on the PC....grrr xbox... Deus Ex 2 was bad about this too. But seriously...its a bad game because it doesn't run at 100fps?? __________________ --Filibuster AMD Athlon 64 3500 / Gigabyte GA-K8NXP-SLI Nforce4 / Samsung 1GB (512MB X2) DDR 400MHz RAM / BFG 6800GT OC PCIe / Viewsonic PF790 19" CRT / Swiftech MCX64-V / WD Raptor 74GB SATA / WD Caviar Special Edition 120GB USB 2.0 / Antec Neopower 480W PSU / Creative Audigy2 / Cambridge Soundworks FPS2000 / Logitech MX 700 / Antec P160 case

05-31-04, 03:33 AM	#87
svetli_pp Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 137	Re: Thief 3 Deadly Shadows Thread It's your video card. FX5200 is not a game card at all. Its 2 times slower than Ti4200. Get at least 5700Ultra. I'm waiting to try the game on my 5900XT to see if it's playable at 1024 everything on max, couse I don't like to play games at lower resolution. My monitor is 19" and it's terrible to play 640 or 800.

05-31-04, 03:34 AM	#88
Cloud76 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2	Re: Thief 3 Deadly Shadows Thread Is Thief3 using PS 2.0? If it uses PS3.0 any comparison between 6800 and ATI hardware (r3xx and r4xx) on highest detail is highly incorect. __________________ AXP 2400+ on Epox 8K3A with 512M DDR2700 Asus Gf4Ti4600 Maxtor 120G

05-31-04, 11:27 AM	#92
Arioch Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,087	Re: Thief 3 Deadly Shadows Thread This game is coded horribly. On my X800 Pro (FX-53 CPU) the game will run decent, but not great at 1600x1200 with everything turned on and the multisampling left at none. When I turn on the in-game multisampling to 4X the minimum framerates at some sections jump down into the teens. Seeing as a game more advanced like Far Cry runs a lot better than this it is inexcusable. But like I posted earlier, I expected this from a console port.

05-31-04, 02:19 PM	#95
Arioch Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,087	Re: Thief 3 Deadly Shadows Thread Well the game runs pretty well at a lower resolution but I guess my point is that with this card there should be no reason that I can't play at 1600x1200 with 4AA. I am sure the game is fun for those people that like this type of gameplay but it's not my thing. One thing that bugs me is the lack of resolution options. I know some people with LCDs need 1280x1024 but it would have been nice to have 1280x960 as an option since its a true 4:3 aspect ratio setting. I would also have like an option to play above 1600x1200 as in some games I can get better performance that way and eliminate the need for AA since the jaggies are not even noticeable. It's a small nitpick but since I own a spiffy Mitsubishi 2070SB monitor that can play up to 2048x1536@85Hz I like having more options.

05-31-04, 02:28 PM	#96
Rob_0126 Freedom is not free Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 323	Re: Thief 3 Deadly Shadows Thread Next thing yah know, people will want their monitors to run at 8192x7680 with 16x aliasing and 50 dynamic shadows per screen. Cray, anyone?

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