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Old 06-12-04, 05:20 PM   #133
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Yes your are correct and I will be finding my overclock today, i want to get a watercooler and my goal is trying to puch 600 mhz through the core if at all possible. This BIOS surprisingly runs my card faster, overclocks higher and runs it cooler. Thanks for the ideas.


Even with watercooling, not sure that your GPU can be overclocked stable to 600MHz without GPU volts being higher than its normal 1.5v ? I would have thought it needed to be at least 1.6v ?? However, maybe because genuine 5950u cards usually have much better quality components will give you the edge to do it, and prove me wrong ???

A 59xx bios's effect on performance has been known for some time. Which is why I keep saying that, barring a bios and card incompatability, people should be trying many diff manufacturers bios's, in order to find a better match for their card !

So welcome as another convert to the benefits of flashing with another manufacturers bios !!!

And good luck with your overclocking, wherever it takes you !
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Old 06-12-04, 05:37 PM   #134
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As far as I know with my card the cores are tested at 550 mhz in order to be allowed to even be a GT edition otherwise they are sent as just a regular one. I figured that it was only a 50mhz increase over basicly a garenteed overclock that it might be possible. I think i may try a few more BIOS's but this one is great, just today i got the highest 3dmarks that i have ever gotten on 2001 and 2003, 19,763 and 7700 respectivly.
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Old 06-12-04, 05:47 PM   #135
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im using the gainward bios as u know jimmor but when enable overclocking my temp monitor goes to 0 and never works till i reinstall driver. Do u have link for MSI bios?
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Old 06-12-04, 06:07 PM   #136
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As far as I know with my card the cores are tested at 550 mhz in order to be allowed to even be a GT edition otherwise they are sent as just a regular one. I figured that it was only a 50mhz increase over basicly a garenteed overclock that it might be possible. I think i may try a few more BIOS's but this one is great, just today i got the highest 3dmarks that i have ever gotten on 2001 and 2003, 19,763 and 7700 respectivly.
If your the GPU for your card is genuinely tested for operation at 550MHz, then I agree you may be able to run at 600MHz ? However I think because of likely temperature issues, you will need at least water cooling to keep it stable at that level ! But the water cooling will only satisfy the GPU, how are you going to control memory temps ???

And with the levels you run now, WOW these are good scores, and a lot more than I get !!

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don't know that it will work any better, but you should try the ASUS5950u bios since it runs its fan at full speed all the time and may therefore help with better air cooling as you increase overclocking towards your 600 goal ???

The ASUS bios runs in 3D all the time, but that shouldn't matter for your experiments with overclocking ? It is also rumoured to have no throttling mode ??
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Old 06-12-04, 06:19 PM   #137
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im using the gainward bios as u know jimmor but when enable overclocking my temp monitor goes to 0 and never works till i reinstall driver. Do u have link for MSI bios?
Hi Jethro, haven't heard from you for a while ??? Assumed everything must be going well with you ??

The MSI5950u bios is available from Mavke website,

http://www.mvktech.net/download.php?list.26

I've tried both available MSI5950u bios's, however I currently use the Rev 02 version as it works slightly better with my card !!

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what driver are you using ???

I currently stick with 53.03 as it is a good stable driver, especially for overclocking !! In fact, I use the MSI53.03 driver as it also gives me MSI extras !!
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Old 06-12-04, 07:04 PM   #138
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gainward bios @ stock 5950 speeds till i find a 5950 bios that dont mess up temps when OC. I run 61.11 tho 61.40 worked well it has Trilinear opt on/off and 16x anisotropic!
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Old 06-12-04, 07:10 PM   #139
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I run 61.11 tho 61.40 worked well it has Trilinear opt on/off and 16x anisotropic!
Jethro the 5950 doesn't support 16x AF in hardware. It was an option added to the driver for the GeForce 6800, that somehow made its way into the FX cards. Anyway, that bug has now been fixed in the 61.34. I don't know where the heck 61.40 drivers came from. Most people say they're a fake, but hey at least they worked ok. The 61.34 are actually the newest set available (dated 6/2/04).
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yeah for some reason the 61.40's work fine i wonder if the trilinear opts works i can set to 16x and game runs just fine i guess its just running 8x tho?

Jimmor i thought id look at some 5950 PCB's to find one that looks similar to mine and im finding the 5950's have quite a bit different layout as i suspected. Look at some 5950 review's without heatsink and then compare to 5900nu! very much different layout.


MY card:


This bfg looks much like my card minus phillips chip, very similar power arrangement

[IMG]http://www.************/Material/Images/383_bfg5950-1.jpg[/IMG]


Most other 5950's power arrangment looks nothing like this

example:
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Old 06-12-04, 07:40 PM   #141
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I will be trying a BFG bios being that it has such a strikingly similar PCB and i cannot find another as close.
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Old 06-12-04, 07:43 PM   #142
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yeah for some reason the 61.40's work fine i wonder if the trilinear opts works i can set to 16x and game runs just fine i guess its just running 8x tho?

Jimmor i thought id look at some 5950 PCB's to find one that looks similar to mine and im finding the 5950's have quite a bit different layout as i suspected. Look at some 5950 review's without heatsink and then compare to 5900nu! very much different layout.
from my understanding, main diff's between 5900nu and 5950u (and some newer 5950u) layouts is to contend with shall we say minor design changes to introduce uprated and better quality components ??? Other than that, all are based on exactly same original Nvidia basic design criteria, if not layout !!

Using my Aopen card as an example; it is a 5900nu card exactly based on original Nvidia design and normally rated at 300/400/850, whereas the MSI bios I use is for a 5950u card where all but heatsinking is based on original Nvidia design and is rated at 300/522/1045 (to meet DOT requirements) !

Barring the obvious of selected GPU's and faster memory chips, many of the other components on the 5950u card would need to be uprated to accomodate much higher performance requirements !! Which means a real 5950u would be expected to overclock much higher and run more stable than any of the lesser 59xx cards !! And obviously this could affect component layout ??

Also, the fact that some manufacturers have drastictly changed the layout away from Nvidia's original does not mean that the basic design has changed ? More likely it was done on cost/manufacturing grounds ??


The fact that a genuine 5950u card likely uses much better components than my card is one of the reasons, because of my cards lesser stock cooling, I am more than happy to keep it at 300/500/1000 !!
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Old 06-12-04, 07:49 PM   #143
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The Aopen 5950 has similar PCB as regular 5900 as well! There is a definite difference between 5900 power layout and 90% of the 5950's. so far the BFG and Aopen are very similar.
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Old 06-12-04, 07:52 PM   #144
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I will be trying a BFG bios being that it has such a strikingly similar PCB and i cannot find another as close.
the BFG is actually a good bios, however don't get bogged down with card layouts -----> they are not important !!! if however you are checking layouts because you are mainly interested if another manufacturers card supported the same TV or VIVO chips/facilities, then that is different !!

Initially you should be looking for the best performance bios's for your card, and then amongst those selecting which has the extra facilities of your original ???
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