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Old 05-27-04, 12:07 PM   #13
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After running/checking games/aida32, I've found that , even with latency mod,
bfg 5900xt oc throttles back. Core resets to 399 from 430.
setting to 4xAA 4xAF are disabled.
Jaggies and poor quality image.
Went back to origional bios, same results, No. its not fried.
Older games NFSHS , homeworld and such are fine.
Just too much work for the crappy 2.8 memory.
This has to be the worst 5900 xt on the market
and the most expensive to boot.
If your thinking of getting an xt get the leadtek.
Better quality, lower price.

All bfg seems to offer is a warranty.
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Old 05-27-04, 12:42 PM   #14
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Jimmor,

01. My first idea is not functioning. Memory is fixed at 700MHz regardless of 2D/3D.

02. in the bios, memory latency is set at 07 03 0F 43. Should I change it to 07 03 0F 40???

03. Throttling can be set at 3D Clock. I did and @ 500MHz, 3DMark03 freezes. It will run fine on 485MHz. At 485MHz, I measured the temp. is 67C while ambient temp. is 33C.

04. My MSI FX 5900XT Memory is Hynix 2.5ns. At 850MHz, memory temp. is 71C. What temp. is safe for it???

05. What clock settings you prefer now in these conditions. I'm thinking about 450 Core but not sure about memory, it depends on you.

Thanks for the reply. I'm greatful to you.
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Old 05-27-04, 03:34 PM   #15
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Jimmor,

01. My first idea is not functioning. Memory is fixed at 700MHz regardless of 2D/3D.

02. in the bios, memory latency is set at 07 03 0F 43. Should I change it to 07 03 0F 40???

03. Throttling can be set at 3D Clock. I did and @ 500MHz, 3DMark03 freezes. It will run fine on 485MHz. At 485MHz, I measured the temp. is 67C while ambient temp. is 33C.

04. My MSI FX 5900XT Memory is Hynix 2.5ns. At 850MHz, memory temp. is 71C. What temp. is safe for it???

05. What clock settings you prefer now in these conditions. I'm thinking about 450 Core but not sure about memory, it depends on you.

Thanks for the reply. I'm greatful to you.
1. What mode (2D/Throttling/3D) in the bios do you have set for 700 ??

2. yes, change latency from 43 to 40 !

3. Most of my MSI bios mods were set for 3D of 485 or less because their owners found this speed best ?? Your choice of 500, was your choice ?? Before considering a set value for the bios, it is most important that you either find out what stable speed your card can do, or, research what other people found with their MSI5900XT cards ??

4. Your memory will survive 71C ! By the way, how are you measuring it with any accuracy, since there are no memory temp sensors ??

Also, with your card, and if I were you, I would be thinking about fitting some sort of heatsinking to memory chips ? Some people have just fitted simple ram sinks and then placed a fan to blow air over them ??

5. for set speeds, start at 300/450/820 and increase core in 10MHz steps till you reach 490 and test stability/performance ? It will be fine to just run Aquamark03 as it doesn't take long ! But to stress your card, it is necessary to set the driver manually to 8xAA and 8xAF for all testing !

Also, use coolbits for overclocking as it wont be necessary to reboot everytime you raise the core by 10MHz. Don't use rivatuner as overclocking with it prematurely triggers the throttling function, for which you will need to reboot everytime before making any performance tests !
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After running/checking games/aida32, I've found that , even with latency mod,
bfg 5900xt oc throttles back. Core resets to 399 from 430.
setting to 4xAA 4xAF are disabled.
Jaggies and poor quality image.
Went back to origional bios, same results, No. its not fried.
Older games NFSHS , homeworld and such are fine.
Just too much work for the crappy 2.8 memory.
This has to be the worst 5900 xt on the market
and the most expensive to boot.
If your thinking of getting an xt get the leadtek.
Better quality, lower price.

All bfg seems to offer is a warranty.
not sure what you are telling me ?? Is the core resetting from a coolbits overclock of 430 to original card and bios stock of 399 ?? If so, it simply means the driver lost its overclocked control ---> so what, change the bios to 430 and it won't lose it !! Otherwise where does the 399 come from ??

and yes, same result with original bios obviously says it is not bios related !!

how hot were your memory chips running during all this mayhem ??

and yes again, you would have been better getting a Gainward or Leadtek card ??

and lastly, aren't BFG and Chaintech cards related in some way ? And if so, why not try the modified:-

Chaintech 5900XT bios,
http://home.arcor.de/redinferno/5900...T/ch5x4885.zip

Or if that doesn't work to satisfaction, why not try the Aopen 5900XT bios which many people with different cards have had a lot of success with,
http://home.arcor.de/redinferno/5900...20FX5900XT.zip

EDIT:

during all your testing, what driver were you using ???
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After running/checking games/aida32, I've found that , even with latency mod,
bfg 5900xt oc throttles back. Core resets to 399 from 430.
setting to 4xAA 4xAF are disabled.
Jaggies and poor quality image.
Went back to origional bios, same results, No. its not fried.
Older games NFSHS , homeworld and such are fine.
Just too much work for the crappy 2.8 memory.
This has to be the worst 5900 xt on the market
and the most expensive to boot.
If your thinking of getting an xt get the leadtek.
Better quality, lower price.

All bfg seems to offer is a warranty.

thought I might also add, I think your PSU could also be a problem ?? remember your 5900XT card will put quite a strain on it ?? What card were you using before the 5900XT ??

also, I hope the power mollex to your 5900 card is from a direct and unshared
PSU connection ???
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Jimmor,

01. My first idea is not functioning. Memory is fixed at 700MHz regardless of 2D/3D.

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IMPORTANT UPDATE:

I just changed the 2D memory speed in my MSI5950u bios to 800MHz and ran Aquamark3, and guess what ---------------> using Rivatuner's hardware realtime monitor, I observed that my speeds in 2D were 300/800 and my speeds during testing of Aquamark3 in 3D were 500/1000 as expected ! This was done using 53.03 drivers !

So as I said before, there is no reason why you can't set your bios to run 2D and 3D memory speeds at diff levels !!!!
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1. What mode (2D/Throttling/3D) in the bios do you have set for 700 ??

I set 2D mode to 700MHz and Throttling & 3D Mode to 850MHz.

2. yes, change latency from 43 to 40 !

Thanks.

3. Most of my MSI bios mods were set for 3D of 485 or less because their owners found this speed best ?? Your choice of 500, was your choice ?? Before considering a set value for the bios, it is most important that you either find out what stable speed your card can do, or, research what other people found with their MSI5900XT cards ??

I did a 500MHz bios flash......that was too much for my card......so I changed back to 450MHz, although 485MHz is rock stable.

4. Your memory will survive 71C ! By the way, how are you measuring it with any accuracy, since there are no memory temp sensors ??

I'm using Vantec NEXUX NXP.101 CPU/HDD/Case Temp. Sensor with LCD.


Also, with your card, and if I were you, I would be thinking about fitting some sort of heatsinking to memory chips ? Some people have just fitted simple ram sinks and then placed a fan to blow air over them ??

Warranty will be voided if I attach ramsinks.....so I can't.

5. for set speeds, start at 300/450/820 and increase core in 10MHz steps till you reach 490 and test stability/performance ?

My card is stable at 485/850. Though I want to set it to 450MHz as a precaution.

It will be fine to just run Aquamark03 as it doesn't take long ! But to stress your card, it is necessary to set the driver manually to 8xAA and 8xAF for all testing !

I did check with 3DMark03. I'll check with AquaMark 3 & inform you.

Also, use coolbits for overclocking as it wont be necessary to reboot everytime you raise the core by 10MHz. Don't use rivatuner as overclocking with it prematurely triggers the throttling function, for which you will need to reboot everytime before making any performance tests !
I'm using Coolbits. Rivatuner is better to see pipeline configuration but coolbits is best for NVIDIA cards to overclock.

I'm wondering why memory is heated more than Core (C: 65C / M: 71C)???

So, you think 850MHz is safe for Hynix 2.5ns? I thought it is 50MHz more than official rating.

My card is rock stable at 485MHz, If i set my clock at 450/475MHz, do you think i need to set a lower throttling speed??

Thanks a lot, Jimmor.
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IMPORTANT UPDATE:

I just changed the 2D memory speed in my MSI5950u bios to 800MHz and ran Aquamark3, and guess what ---------------> using Rivatuner's hardware realtime monitor, I observed that my speeds in 2D were 300/800 and my speeds during testing of Aquamark3 in 3D were 500/1000 as expected ! This was done using 53.03 drivers !

So as I said before, there is no reason why you can't set your bios to run 2D and 3D memory speeds at diff levels !!!!
wow......so please tell me how can i do it? I just set 700MHz in the first table, 850MHz on both 2nd & 3rd table.

I'm using 61.11 ForceWare.
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jimmor, first of all very good thread. thanks for taking the time to help us get the most out of our FX 5900s and 5950s!

regarding the separate 2d/3d memory speeds... could it be possible that it is not working for Fahim because his is an XT type card? I realize you have tested this on a 5950 bios, but was wondering on which type card? a 5900 NU? U? or XT? or maybe even had this tested on all cards?

I've been doing some more editing to my original BIOS, and seem to have increased my shader performance greatly! I've tested with both 5950 bios and 5900 bios and am getting considerable more FPS in shadermark with the 5900 bios. The odd thing is, I am now scoring higher with 5900nu BIOS (modded clock/latency/volts w/ 60.72 Forceware) than I am with 5950u BIOS (modded latency w/ 61.11). I am liking it because the 60.72 do look and function much better overall. Thing I don't like is the higher temps
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I'm using Coolbits. Rivatuner is better to see pipeline configuration but coolbits is best for NVIDIA cards to overclock.

I'm wondering why memory is heated more than Core (C: 65C / M: 71C)???

So, you think 850MHz is safe for Hynix 2.5ns? I thought it is 50MHz more than official rating.

My card is rock stable at 485MHz, If i set my clock at 450/475MHz, do you think i need to set a lower throttling speed??

Thanks a lot, Jimmor.
Memory is hotter than the core simply because your memory chips have no heatsinks. And now that you have told me how you are monitoring it, I suggest you reduce it. Since you are measuring it on an outside surface, we can assume that the actual chip die could be running 10-15c or more higher, and thus unhealthy when considering the hopefully long life expectancy of your card ?

the 850MHz memory speed is well within the capabilities of 2.5ns memory chips, but its not the speed that is your problem, it is the accompanying heat ? So, if you are not going to fit ramsinks then I would suggest running your memory no higher than 830MHz !

if your core is good and stable at 485, but you want to allow a bit for safety, then by all means set it to 475. It will run a bit cooler at this speed. And setting the throttling speed at the same level will be fine !
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wow......so please tell me how can i do it? I just set 700MHz in the first table, 850MHz on both 2nd & 3rd table.

I'm using 61.11 ForceWare.
I did exactly the same, except in my case I set 800 (actually 400) in first table and left my other two tables at 1000, and all worked as expected ! Also, I generally use 53.03 drivers all time as I find them to give best overall stability for all my uses, but can't see why that would affect 2D/3D memory speed result ?
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jimmor, first of all very good thread. thanks for taking the time to help us get the most out of our FX 5900s and 5950s!

regarding the separate 2d/3d memory speeds... could it be possible that it is not working for Fahim because his is an XT type card? I realize you have tested this on a 5950 bios, but was wondering on which type card? a 5900 NU? U? or XT? or maybe even had this tested on all cards?

I've been doing some more editing to my original BIOS, and seem to have increased my shader performance greatly! I've tested with both 5950 bios and 5900 bios and am getting considerable more FPS in shadermark with the 5900 bios. The odd thing is, I am now scoring higher with 5900nu BIOS (modded clock/latency/volts w/ 60.72 Forceware) than I am with 5950u BIOS (modded latency w/ 61.11). I am liking it because the 60.72 do look and function much better overall. Thing I don't like is the higher temps

No prob's rewt, glad to help ! As I have said many times, no point in having knowledge or information if your not prepared to share it !!

All my mods and testing can only be done with a 5900nu card, because that is what I have ! I originally didn't want to get involved with any kind of XT mods, bios or otherwise, simply because I don't have a XT card; never mind the 20 or so diff versions of XT out there ? But sometimes you just try and help regardless !

However this means that the only way I can help XT owners is for them to do the testing and provide feedback ? But it also means I wont propose anything risky to a XT owner that I may be quite happy to do to my own card !!

So yes, it may be that a XT has problems running the memory at diff memory speeds in 2D/3D, but I doubt it. My intro to the idea of running diff memory speeds comes from the fact that the FX5800 series of card is set to do exactly that ! Which is why I tried it in the first place ? Wasn't convinced of any benefits with my card however, so I don't use it that way ?

Therefore for the memory speed problem, I think Fahim should check that both the driver coolbits and rivatuner are disabled to ensure they are not overriding the bios at bootup ??

And, its not too surprising that if you mod your original bios with a lot of the 5950u goodies, that it will perform much better ? Also, always keep in mind that all the parameters used in a 5950u bios are for 2.0ns chips. Your card has lesser chips and therefore we can presume many parameters in your original bios are specifically suited to your cards components ?

Bios modding at the moment is about selecting and using the best bits from the better bios's, and not about forcing people to use 5950u bios's unless they want to ?

Which card exactly are you using, and what is the heatsinking like ??

And, for any extra heat generated, if core/memory heatsinking reasonably good then I suggest you set a fan to force more airflow over card ? I use a fan on the side of my case to blow air accross my cpu and 5900 card !
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