Move aside Doom 3 (and take your engine with you)

Slyder · 08-16-04, 01:03 PM

Serious Sam 2 is on it's way.

I simply loved the original when it was released a while back, and when I heard news of SS2 was just around the corner I couldnt believe my luck. Powered by Serious Engine 2 this game boasts full Co-Op support (take note ID) full on multiplayer features and simply looks stunning.

SS2 is part of the Direct X 9c showcase over at Microsoft. No sign of Doom 3, but I am hardly surprised. Why showcase a bad game ? (sorry D3 lovers, I couldnt resist)

Anyone wanting a taster of this beautiful engine, you can find a sample here

Finally, a good game is on the way with what looks like a visually stunning engine.

Slybri · 08-16-04, 01:04 PM

So when exactly is "right around the corner?"
How far awar is the corner?
Before or after HL2?

GlowStick · 08-16-04, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slyder

SS2 is part of the Direct X 9c showcase over at Microsoft. No sign of Doom 3, but I am hardly surprised. Why showcase a bad game ? (sorry D3 lovers, I couldnt resist)

Why is Doom3 not part of the DirectX9c Showcase? Gee could it be an OpenGL game?

majortom · 08-16-04, 01:14 PM

serious sam 2 already came out back in '00 or '01. or do you mean a sequel to that?

mezkal · 08-16-04, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slyder

No sign of Doom 3, but I am hardly surprised. Why showcase a bad game ? (sorry D3 lovers, I couldnt resist)

OK. First off Doom 3 is GOOD game. It's sad that so many people snipe it. Secondly, its an OpenGL title, therefore why and how would MS showcase it? It doesn't relate to DirectX in the same way. Most people think DirectX when what they're being shown is Direct3D. You seem to be one of those also :P

Back on topic.

Serious Sam 2 looked good end of LAST YEAR. The engine is looking rather dated now. From what I've been able to see from the XNA Conference and E3 footage, we're looking at some nice per pixel stuff on the characters, quite a bit of alpha and high res textures. That stuff would have cut it prior to Far Cry and DOOM 3's releases (which have both shown the value in per pixel rendering) but now the Serious Engine 2 is looking rather bland - especially judging by what has been shown so far.

Serious Sam and Second Encounter were two of my favourite games. The Co-op play was awesome and the variety of graphics were great. The physics engine was a hoot as were the oversized (and well animated I might add) mid and end level bosses. That said I really don't see how the new game will cut it based on the footage that has been released.

My 2c.

GlowStick · 08-16-04, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by majortom

serious sam 2 already came out back in '00 or '01. or do you mean a sequel to that?

Your are wrong, the game you are refering to is Serious Sam: The Second Encouter, this is Serious Sam 2

Slyder · 08-16-04, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlowStick

Why is Doom3 not part of the DirectX9c Showcase? Gee could it be an OpenGL game?

Oh wow.. sarcasm.. yeah that was done so well.

DirectXÂ®

Doom 3 requires you to have MicrosoftÂ® DirectXÂ® on your computer. http://www.Microsoft.com/directx

Q. What is DirectXÂ® and why do I need it?

A. DirectXÂ® is a set of sound, video, input and network functions developed by MicrosoftÂ®. Doom 3 utilizes the functions that are included with DirectXÂ®.

Q. I already have other WindowsÂ® 98/2000/ME/XP games installed on my computer. Will the MicrosoftÂ® DirectXÂ® Installer change my DirectXÂ® files?

A. If you already have other WindowsÂ® 98/2000/ME/XP games on your computer, chances are you already have a version of DirectXÂ® installed. In this case, the MicrosoftÂ® installer will detect and overwrite any previous versions with DirectXÂ®. At that point, you will need to restart your computer for the changes to take effect. If, however, you already have DirectXÂ® installed on your computer, the MicrosoftÂ® DirectXÂ® installer will detect it and not overwrite any DirectXÂ® files. You will not need to restart your computer after installation in order to run Doom 3.

I wont flame with you, you can believe whatever you wish, but I think you will find this is a Direct X game

Quote:

Originally Posted by majortom

serious sam 2 already came out back in '00 or '01. or do you mean a sequel to that?

Yes. Serious Sam came as First and Second encounter. Essentially they were one game. This is the full blow sequal.

GlowStick · 08-16-04, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slyder

Oh wow.. sarcasm.. yeah that was done so well.

DirectXÂ®

Doom 3 requires you to have MicrosoftÂ® DirectXÂ® on your computer. http://www.Microsoft.com/directx

Q. What is DirectXÂ® and why do I need it?

A. DirectXÂ® is a set of sound, video, input and network functions developed by MicrosoftÂ®. Doom 3 utilizes the functions that are included with DirectXÂ®.

Q. I already have other WindowsÂ® 98/2000/ME/XP games installed on my computer. Will the MicrosoftÂ® DirectXÂ® Installer change my DirectXÂ® files?

A. If you already have other WindowsÂ® 98/2000/ME/XP games on your computer, chances are you already have a version of DirectXÂ® installed. In this case, the MicrosoftÂ® installer will detect and overwrite any previous versions with DirectXÂ®. At that point, you will need to restart your computer for the changes to take effect. If, however, you already have DirectXÂ® installed on your computer, the MicrosoftÂ® DirectXÂ® installer will detect it and not overwrite any DirectXÂ® files. You will not need to restart your computer after installation in order to run Doom 3.

I wont flame with you, you can believe whatever you wish, but I think you will find this is a Direct X game

Yes. Serious Sam came as First and Second encounter. Essentially they were one game. This is the full blow sequal.

Id engines has has allways used DirectInput, however its like a module and can easily be changed for whatever OS the build is for.

However for whats important Id uses openGL, however if doom3 was an DirectX game, Microsoft would take all of those games out and only showcase Doom3.

Banko · 08-16-04, 01:26 PM

What microsoft means by directx 9.0c titles is when the game uses the whole thing to do everything. Doom 3 is using openg gl for video, has custom network code, and custom sound as well I think. As far as I know doom 3 just uses it for input. So it would not be in microsoft's show case.

aAv7 · 08-16-04, 01:34 PM

1.) Doom 3 is opengl-microsoft wouldnt showcase it because of that. Your pretty much laughing at doom 3 for not being on a microsoft page the same way someone would laugh that ms made no reference to linux on their site.

2.) This game has no release date-could take until 2006 before we see it for all we know. The developers diary shows their still pretty earlier in development stages of the game.

3.) Anyone know if this is gonna be one of those $19.99 budget priced games, like the first 2 serious sam's?

r2d2d3d4d5 · 08-16-04, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mezkal

OK. First off Doom 3 is GOOD game. It's sad that so many people snipe it. Secondly, its an OpenGL title, therefore why and how would MS showcase it? It doesn't relate to DirectX in the same way. Most people think DirectX when what they're being shown is Direct3D. You seem to be one of those also :P

Back on topic.

Serious Sam 2 looked good end of LAST YEAR. The engine is looking rather dated now. From what I've been able to see from the XNA Conference and E3 footage, we're looking at some nice per pixel stuff on the characters, quite a bit of alpha and high res textures. That stuff would have cut it prior to Far Cry and DOOM 3's releases (which have both shown the value in per pixel rendering) but now the Serious Engine 2 is looking rather bland - especially judging by what has been shown so far.

Serious Sam and Second Encounter were two of my favourite games. The Co-op play was awesome and the variety of graphics were great. The physics engine was a hoot as were the oversized (and well animated I might add) mid and end level bosses. That said I really don't see how the new game will cut it based on the footage that has been released.

My 2c.

I don't care if the graphics are not ground braking. I just want a fun game that looks good. ID have made a great tech demo and a good game. If SS2 is the other way around then I wonâ€™t be complaining.

majortom · 08-16-04, 01:40 PM

oh, ok. i loved ss both the first and second encounters. coop in it was freakin awesome.

08-16-04, 01:03 PM	#1
Slyder AMD + Nv = pro gaming rig Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Coventry / England Posts: 746	Move aside Doom 3 (and take your engine with you) Serious Sam 2 is on it's way. I simply loved the original when it was released a while back, and when I heard news of SS2 was just around the corner I couldnt believe my luck. Powered by Serious Engine 2 this game boasts full Co-Op support (take note ID) full on multiplayer features and simply looks stunning. SS2 is part of the Direct X 9c showcase over at Microsoft. No sign of Doom 3, but I am hardly surprised. Why showcase a bad game ? (sorry D3 lovers, I couldnt resist) Anyone wanting a taster of this beautiful engine, you can find a sample here Finally, a good game is on the way with what looks like a visually stunning engine. __________________ Gigabyte K8NXP-SLI - Bios F11 AMD Athlon 64 3500+@2.2 2gig RAM DDR333 (PC2700) 4 x 512 Corsair Value Select (CL 2.5) Maxtor 6Y080L0 7200rpm 80 gig DiamondMax Plus 9 HDD Gigabyte Dual 6600GT SLI Enabled CTX VL701B 17ins CRT 0.27dpi 72khz MPRII Black Creative Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS BenQ DW1655 LS DVD-Rewriter with BCDB f/w (ohh yes, get on) LiteOn 48246S CD writer with SS0E f/w NTL 10 meg cable connection thru Ambit 250 modem. Ethernet connected Linksys BEFSR41 v3 router with 1.05.00 f/w Enermax 535 watts SLI-Ready PSU XP pro with SP2 Playing multiplayer games online and lan enabled untill the day we die. What I think of the word Blog

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majortom Done Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: the evil empire Posts: 328	Re: Move aside Doom 3 (and take your engine with you) serious sam 2 already came out back in '00 or '01. or do you mean a sequel to that? __________________ - oh man, the water effects in source look amazing! - really? - yeah, i tried to touch it, and my hand got wet - cool! - oh wait, never mind. i just peed on myself --------------------------------------------------------- Mein Comp!: MSI 6380 kt266\| XP 1700+\| 512M PC3200 @ 266mhz \| 80 gig \| MSI radeon 9800 pro 128m (r360 core)\| nec 2500a 8x single layer burn (dl hack)\| thermaltake silentpower 420W PSU\| POS generic case\| Grado SR 60 headphones

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Banko Red Pepper Vodka Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,155	Re: Move aside Doom 3 (and take your engine with you) What microsoft means by directx 9.0c titles is when the game uses the whole thing to do everything. Doom 3 is using openg gl for video, has custom network code, and custom sound as well I think. As far as I know doom 3 just uses it for input. So it would not be in microsoft's show case. __________________ Work/Gaming PC: Lian-Li PC-80 Intel Core i7 860 @ 3.53 MSI P55-GD80 G.Skill DDR3-1600 8gb 4x2gb Asus DRW-1814BLT SATA ATi Radeon 5870 OCZ GameXStream 700W Windows 7 Ultimate HTPC/Second Gaming PC: Gigabyte GA-EP45-DQ6 Intel Q6600 @ 2.8 G.Skill DDR2 4gb 2x2gb NVidia 8800GTX OCZ GameXStream 700W

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aAv7 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 2,250	Re: Move aside Doom 3 (and take your engine with you) 1.) Doom 3 is opengl-microsoft wouldnt showcase it because of that. Your pretty much laughing at doom 3 for not being on a microsoft page the same way someone would laugh that ms made no reference to linux on their site. 2.) This game has no release date-could take until 2006 before we see it for all we know. The developers diary shows their still pretty earlier in development stages of the game. 3.) Anyone know if this is gonna be one of those $19.99 budget priced games, like the first 2 serious sam's? __________________ [SIZE="1"][B]CPU:[/B] AMD64 3200+ Winchester @ 2.2 [B]RAM:[/B] 2GB Kingston Dual Channel DDR 400 [B]Motherboard:[/B] Gigabyte K8 Triton nForce4 [B]VideoCard:[/B] eVGA GeForce 7800GTX 512MB [B]Hard Drive:[/B] WD 250GB Sata [B]OS:[/B] Dual boot, Windows XP Home/Windows Professional x64 Edition Retail[B] Audio:[/B] X-Fi Xtreme Music [B]Mouse:[/B] Logitech MX 310 [B]PSU:[/B] 500W Ultra Connect (34A on the 12V+)[/SIZE] [SIZE="1"][B]Xbox 360:[/B] w/ Intercooler @ 1280x1024 , Dynasty Warriors 5, Fight Night Round 3, Kameo, NBA 2K6, Perfect Dark Zero CE, and PGR 3[SIZE="1"][/SIZE][/SIZE]

08-16-04, 01:40 PM	#12
majortom Done Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: the evil empire Posts: 328	Re: Move aside Doom 3 (and take your engine with you) oh, ok. i loved ss both the first and second encounters. coop in it was freakin awesome. __________________ - oh man, the water effects in source look amazing! - really? - yeah, i tried to touch it, and my hand got wet - cool! - oh wait, never mind. i just peed on myself --------------------------------------------------------- Mein Comp!: MSI 6380 kt266\| XP 1700+\| 512M PC3200 @ 266mhz \| 80 gig \| MSI radeon 9800 pro 128m (r360 core)\| nec 2500a 8x single layer burn (dl hack)\| thermaltake silentpower 420W PSU\| POS generic case\| Grado SR 60 headphones