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Old 09-01-04, 09:54 AM   #25
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I have MSI NBOX5900Ultra, thanks to Jimmor I flashed the bios to 5950Ultra specs - rock stable and fast, I do play Flight sims a lot every day. I love my "5950 Ultra" now just as much as I did my GF2 Ultra. I wasn't much impressed with GF4 Ti 4200 128MB (second gen.). FarCry and Doom3 work well as well as my flight simulator Il2FB, I mostly play in OpenGL though. Stable card, great drivers I'm very happy - best card I ever had. In fact I'm going to skip NV4x completely and go to NV50 - I don't need 6800. Next version of my flight sim should be out in late 2005 so by then I will get NV50Ultra.
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Old 09-01-04, 10:06 AM   #26
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I'm happy with my 5900nu, plays all my game great including Doom3 so not complaining.
The FX series started bad but NV35 was a success IMO.
Maybe when real DX9 games appear it won't seem so hot but for last year and this year, no problems.
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Old 09-01-04, 10:33 AM   #27
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Ya thats another thing we need to remember, as of today there are practically no DX9 games anyway. A few games use the DX9 shaders like FarCry, but other than that it's all pretty silly. You can't always go by what all mighty 3dmark says. I couldn't give a damn what my 3dmark score is if all my games have fast frame rates
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Old 09-01-04, 10:39 AM   #28
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I don't think the nv3x lineup was a failure..

I think the marketing was wrong for the type of product it was to start with and that left a bad taste in the mouth...

for dx8 and some dx9 games it was a more than adequate solution as many of the users will attest to and it was a better solution for non-windows o/s's
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Old 09-01-04, 10:51 AM   #29
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okay, i've had a 5200, a 5600, a 5700, and a 5900. i've also had a 9800 pro. and you know what? i missed my 5900 while i used the 9800. the nv3x wasnt a failure. it may have been misguided.. but think of what nvidia did with its drivers and the nv35?! they took 4 (i know 4x2, but if you owned a nv35, you know what i mean) pipes, and made them act almost like the 8 in the 9800. the nv3x may not have been the speed king, but nvidia was more inovative than anyone else.
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Old 09-01-04, 11:12 AM   #30
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I don't think it was a failure... since nvidia changed the design of the GPU in fx
but yet again, i think they just didn't spend time on it...
though this is good, since at one point ATI must change there design for GPU(VPU).
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Old 09-01-04, 11:25 AM   #31
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I'd hardly call it a failure overall. The FX5800 was a pretty bad slip-up, and they didn't really have a good mid-range solution for the price, but the FX5200 and FX5900 were very good for their price-points. Sure, the FX5200 is slow, but it's still much better than it's predacessor, the GF4mx, and it does very well against ATI's low-range budget card (the 9000/9200). I do give the FX5200 credit for actually offering a high-end feature on an extremely low-priced card, even if it was very slow at it (at least it can run tech demos to show off the prettyness of it ). The FX5900 corrected many of the problems people had with the FX5800, and it's quite fast as well. It still falls behind in DX9 stuff, but it isn't THAT big of a gap (the det50 drivers definatly helped it a lot), and that won't really be a huge factor for some time. For a while there the FX5900 was a better buy than the 9800 cards due to the huge drop in price that happened in late 2003, when you could get them for over $50 less.

The FX series certainly could've been better, but it was far from a failure.
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I think the problem was that after the agressive marketing, everyone was waiting for nv30 and when it arrived, it performed worse than r300.
That fact made that a lot of people to say that the card sucked, but form me, it only was slower than her oponent ( at that time I had an 8500 hehehe )
Sometime ago, I purchased an AIW9800Se but without luck on the mod so I sold it ( it performed surprisingly well ) so I bought a 9700 Pro ( deception ) sold it and got a 9800pro ( 2nd hand )...graphical problems...so I returned it for 512 Kingston ddr, 9100 128megs and money and when I saw a 5900 NU for the same price I was going to pay for a 9600xt... ( 160€ with shipping )
Now I am very pleased with this card, with its overclocking capabilities, bioses, drivers...
So for now, IŽll wait sometime...until this card gets obsolete, to get another card ^^

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I think I'll add yet another consideration about FX

I speak from experience when I say that when paired with a fast CPU the FX5200 isn't that horrible. My father has an Athlon64 3000, 1gig DDR400, and an FX5200Ultra. He uses it for business, but just for the hell of it I tried some UT2K3 on it and I was pleasantly surprised how smooth it ran. No less than 60fps at 1024x768. Not too shaby for a sub $100 video card
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Old 09-01-04, 12:19 PM   #34
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I'm happy with my 5900nu, plays all my game great including Doom3 so not complaining.
The FX series started bad but NV35 was a success IMO.
Maybe when real DX9 games appear it won't seem so hot but for last year and this year, no problems.
I don't even think the FX series started bad. As the once proud owner of a 5800@Ultra speeds, and a 5800 Ultra, I can tell you I didn't notice the difference between them and a 9700Pro.

I can also tell you the 5800U benches as fast as 5900NUs.
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You all keep defending your purshase which is so Bias , it was a failure to Nvidia and that is why

1. It missed dead line and first NV30 was released way later then R300 ( Nvidia lost customers )
2. Nvidia received negative views from alot of people remember Dustbuster cartoons ?
3. Performed slower then excpected bad PR alot of lies remember ?,
4. Even Nvidia them selfs buryed all info regarding NV30 (5800) you woun't find it anymore at nvidia.com .

Later revisions were improvements but still lacking power and finess , so if its not a success for company must be a failure , at time competition had better card plain and simple why denie it remember we compareing Nvidia to ATI not some hopeless 3rd party companys XGI .. ect.
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You all keep defending your purshase which is so Bias , it was a failure to Nvidia and that is why

1. It missed dead line and first NV30 was released way later then R300 ( Nvidia lost customers )
2. Nvidia received negative views from alot of people remember Dustbuster cartoons ?
3. Performed slower then excpected bad PR alot of lies remember ?,
4. Even Nvidia them selfs buryed all info regarding NV30 (5800) you woun't find it anymore at nvidia.com .

Later revisions were improvements but still lacking power and finess , so if its not a success for company must be a failure , at time competition had better card plain and simple why denie it remember we compareing Nvidia to ATI not some hopeless 3rd party companys XGI .. ect.
If I didn't like your avatar so much, I'd punch you in the nose!

Anyway the "no 5800 on nVidia's site"is BS:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/fx_5800.html

BTW- it's a free country, so no one needs to "defend" purchases? I bought a 9700P, 9800P, and 3 5800s. Woot.
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