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Old 09-23-04, 09:03 AM   #1
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Default 90nm what it means to next years gpu's

what can we expect when ati and nvidia reach 90nm process?
i think it will be a turning point and make one of the biggest jumps in performance since the 9700. also do you think that we have hit an iq wall and the next gen cards will be focusing more on pure speed?
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Old 09-23-04, 09:07 AM   #2
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erm maybe towards the mid of next year or q1 2006 when both IHVs willl launch new GPUS , NV50 and r500 maybe?

These new GPU may use 90nm which allows for lower voltages and lower power consumption, which means possibly higher clocks and of course more complex GPUS due to more trannies being able to crammed in per area. There could also be a problem with yields as process get smaller and comlexity rises.

IQ wall? nah they are just beggining to fall down...more AA, new AA techniques? more AF? Definately more Pixel shading capabilties in a more efficient manner. As well as Vertex shading....maybe PS and VS will integrate..i think according to some as DirextX next?

performance jump? I'd say that the next new gen GPUS will also bring a significant jump in performance as well. By then gaming with 4X AA and 8XAF will be standard at 1600 by 1200. and those GPUs will bring Doom III, Far Cry and the unrealsed yet Half Life2 to its knees.
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Default Re: 90nm what it means to next years gpu's

Hopefully we can reach 90nm for GPU soon, though yeah late 2005 timeframe to early 2006 timeframe might be a good time for ATI and NV to start experimenting with this new technology. Hopefully by then 110nm will be a very mature technology.

It will be interesting what NV50 and R520 could bring but that is very very far off from now.
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Old 09-26-04, 09:34 AM   #4
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Default Re: 90nm what it means to next years gpu's

there will be a big push for both ati and nvidia to release chips on 90nm before christmass 2005 - thats my prediction! wont be too difficult (thats a full year and bit after AMD and over a year and a half after intel).
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GPU complexity is much more than of CPUs . The GPUs will be designed with whicever fab's 90nm process in mind but...they will be either employing TSMC or IBM (for NV) still solving yeild problems when adopting 90nm process will for most of the time not that easy..
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Old 09-26-04, 02:23 PM   #6
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I bet we don't see another major refresh until 2006.
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Old 09-26-04, 07:25 PM   #7
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i heard its more difficult to design cpu's than gpu's.
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Old 09-26-04, 11:56 PM   #8
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i heard its more difficult to design cpu's than gpu's.
thats what i heard as well... cpu's have to worry about backwords compatibility. gpu's can just send those calls that arent supported in hardware onto the cpu.
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GPUs are atleast alot more complex, pack a whole lot more transistors and pack a whole lot more power..

NV40 = 220 million transistors, 100 gigaflops (I think)
P4 3.2Ghz = 55 million transistors, 59 Gigaflops (what i got when googling, not sure, think that includes SSE and all the SIMD stuff)


I think MUYA is on the right track, eventually (seemingly with DX Next") the VS and PS units will prolly merge into 1 powerful unit that can do both, which is prolly a good idea cause then the VS units cant bottleneck the PS units (or any other part of the card) and viceversa, it can just work fullspeed with any combo of "VS" and "PS" load put on it..
But more raw power, perhaps refined shaderlanguages or something, evolved AA and filtering techniques sounds reasonable..
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Old 09-27-04, 06:32 AM   #10
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NV50/RV500

And somehow, we may see cooling solutions get even larger ;\
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GPUs are atleast alot more complex, pack a whole lot more transistors and pack a whole lot more power..

NV40 = 220 million transistors, 100 gigaflops (I think)
P4 3.2Ghz = 55 million transistors, 59 Gigaflops (what i got when googling, not sure, think that includes SSE and all the SIMD stuff)


I think MUYA is on the right track, eventually (seemingly with DX Next") the VS and PS units will prolly merge into 1 powerful unit that can do both, which is prolly a good idea cause then the VS units cant bottleneck the PS units (or any other part of the card) and viceversa, it can just work fullspeed with any combo of "VS" and "PS" load put on it..
But more raw power, perhaps refined shaderlanguages or something, evolved AA and filtering techniques sounds reasonable..
dont get sucked in to the marketing hype, if cpu's were so easy to make compared to gpu's than nvidia and ati would be in the cpu business!
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Default Re: 90nm what it means to next years gpu's

I didnt say CPUs were easy to make, and I didnt say they were easier then GPUs to make either..
I said they are more complex and pack more raw power.

and how is any of that marketing hype?
had to google like a madman to find it all..
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