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Old 11-23-02, 12:25 AM   #25
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my classic athlon has 512k half speed RAM. my athXP has 256k full speed, as did the thunderbird
yes, the original Athlons had 512K cache, mostly running at half the clock speed. the later Athlons however dropped down to 1/3 the clock speed
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Old 11-23-02, 08:56 AM   #26
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I think XP runs 256 cache @ processors clock speed? no?
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Old 11-23-02, 09:37 AM   #27
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WOW! I have never met anyone as mature as you.
It's hype. If you like preaching about AMD/Intel you go right ahead.
Actually I have ripped a few systems containing Athlon XP 1.8GHz in games. That could be for many reasons though. There are people who have high end systems and are not even capable of configuring anything properly. Of course it's 90% of the time how the user runs his computer rather than how big his/her system is.

I have seen idiots handle high end systems (AthlonXP 2200 with GF4 Ti 4600) and configure them so bad that older games like Max Payne strugle at the lowest quality settings (640x480 32bpp etc...). In games it's very hard to dictate which component is mainly producing the biggest effect in certain situations. Some situations do require some serious number crunches (AthlonXP), though as soon as system memory bandwidth comes into place with Athlon's it's another story (I'm pretty sure AMD are trying to alleviate this).
I can easily say (if I wanted to act daft): My P4 will **** wreck your aThl0nz ex pees syst4mz in qU4kEz tree.

You seem like a callow pointy head. I think I am beginning to like you a lot.


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Whatever...P4s have hype built into them ...empty mhz...a 1.8 gig XP can kick the snot out of your P4 @ 1.8...don't be talking about hype, fool!
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Old 11-23-02, 08:34 PM   #28
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I think XP runs 256 cache @ processors clock speed? no?
all Athlons since the classic Athlong have 256K of full speed cache. this includes Thunderbirds, Palominos, and Thoroughbreds
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all Athlons ... Thunderbirds, Palominos, and Thoroughbreds
Hey, can you please tell me concisely what's the difference between Thunderbirds, Palominos, and Thoroughbreds? I see these terms used to differentiate Athlons, but never an explanation.
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Old 11-25-02, 01:17 PM   #30
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Thunderbirds are the original Athlon processors, both socket and slot A. Last Thunderbird processors were 1.4 GHz if memory serves me correctly.

Palominos are the AthlonXP's from 1600+ to 2100+.

Thoroughbreds are the new 0.13 micron processors starting at 2200+ and going all the way up to 2800+
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yes, the original Athlons had 512K cache, mostly running at half the clock speed. the later Athlons however dropped down to 1/3 the clock speed
Got it in one, the Athlon 850MHz+ had a 1/3 cache divider while the the Athlon 500~800MHz had a 1/2 speed divider.

Athlon: SLOT A ONLY 500MHz ~ 1GHz, 512k cache @ 1/2 or 1/3 speed
Athlon Tbird: SLOT A: 700MHz ~ 1GHz 256k cache @ full speed
Athlon Tbird: Socket A: 700MHz ~ 1.4GHz 256k cache @ full speed
Athlon XP

The speed of the classic Athlon can be compaired to a Duron.

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Hey, can you please tell me concisely what's the difference between Thunderbirds, Palominos, and Thoroughbreds? I see these terms used to differentiate Athlons, but never an explanation.
since someone already got the slot/socket thing down. i won't go over that again.

Thunderbird had 256K of full speed cache compared to the original Athlon. it was the first Athlon to use a 266MHz FSB.

Palomino had some TLB optimizations and SSE support as well as consuming less power.

Thoroughbred was a die shrink to .13 micron , and the new TbredB design uses up to 333MHz FSB from 266. i think it consumes less power too.
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Thunderbirds are the original Athlon processors, both socket and slot A. Last Thunderbird processors were 1.4 GHz if memory serves me correctly.

Palominos are the AthlonXP's from 1600+ to 2100+.

Thoroughbreds are the new 0.13 micron processors starting at 2200+ and going all the way up to 2800+
There are also T-Bred A AXP's supposedly from 1600+ to 2100+ speeds.

and Tbred B from AXP2200+ speeds and onwards.
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Old 11-27-02, 03:08 PM   #34
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What does a designation AGOYA/AROIA etc. mean in realtionship to Athlons? Is this a stepping level designator?
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OK seems ya'll need a lesson.

The XP rating is NOT, I repeat NOT NOT NOT, to do with the Pentium 4. Thats right, NOT!!!

The XP rating is based on previous chips. Due to optimisations in the instruction sets the new Athlons run better than the old. So a 1400 new 'bird with SSE and such, runs as the same speed as an old one would IF it was 1600.

So they run the same, but the new cores can process stuff quicker. Hence 1400 = 1600XP

BTW if you werent listening. It has Absolutely NOTHING to do with the P4.

EDIT : Pah!! Geforce 2? Just sold that to buy my nice new 9700 :P
If you want to think about it logically, since the XP rating now is pretty close to equaling a p4 that is the same speed as the XP rating, then that would mean that if AMD REALLY was comparting an XP to a T-Bird, the T-Bird and P4 at the same speed would be performing the same. This is NOT the case.
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