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Old 11-16-04, 04:00 PM   #13
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No Sonic?
I do believe I said the list is by no means complete.

I also don't plan on editing it at all. Stuff can just roll at will.
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Old 11-16-04, 04:04 PM   #14
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Does every thread that even MENTIONS Halo have to turn into a debate about how it sucks? But if you must know, the integration of melee attacks, grenades, shields, and vehicles was done far better in Halo than it was in pretty much any other FPS at the time, and Halo 2 improves upon the forumula with vehicle damage, duel wielding, vehicle hijacking. It might not have done some of these things first, but it certainly did them best. It brought just as much to the table as games like UT and Farcry did. Though Tribes is often overlooked, as well.
Yeah... wasn't first in any of those and wasn't anywhere near the best.

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Let's also not forget the physics engine and the near complete lack of clipping. And also how Halo 2 has just become the best selling video game of all time.
Yes... and lets also not forget that Titanic is the highest grossing movie ever.
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Old 11-16-04, 04:16 PM   #15
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Yeah... wasn't first in any of those and wasn't anywhere near the best.
OK...what other FPS games have decent melee attacks (as in not some silly knife you have to switch to that does 10 damage when you hit them in the back ), vehicle hijacking, and vehicle damage (to actual parts of the vehicle, not a generic health bar)?
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Old 11-16-04, 04:23 PM   #16
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Um, Halo 2 is not the best selling game of all time, not even close. The Sims is the best selling game of all time, No game will ever push it from the top. It's funny that Halo 2 sold 2.3 Million in a single day in two continents (US & Canada) but FF7 sold 2+ Million upon release just in Japan... MS likes to brag alot without knowing the facts, the only record they did break was gross income and thats because they had a more expensive version out to increase the income.

Vehicle HiJacking and Damage were not in Halo 1 so it cannot be considered. Considering Vehicle Damage is worthless since its only cosmetic it shouldnt even be considered in the first place. Melee damage was done in GoldenEye, Remember the sniper-rifles butt?
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Old 11-16-04, 04:30 PM   #17
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Shoot... it went further back than that... remember kicking in Duke Nukem 3d?
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Old 11-16-04, 04:38 PM   #18
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Commander Keen

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Old 11-16-04, 04:40 PM   #19
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Does every thread that even MENTIONS Halo have to turn into a debate about how it sucks?
Apparently, yes. Why? I'm not sure, but I think global warming is to blame.

Something that should be mentioned as Halo sucks/doesn't suck debate that's relevant to the thread is that Halo's AI is very impressive. Very. It's one of the few games in existence that does not resort to cheap tricks to increase the difficulty levels. They just ramp the AI up instead (or in addition to some slightly cheap tricks - shields recharge slower, enemies do slightly more damage). It's hard, but it's not stupid hard - you can outwit the enemy, and it makes playing Legendary very satisfying.

I'd like to suggest that the original Final Fantasy, while a groundbreaking game, wasn't the one that really started to kick things into high gear. As I understand it, it was FF 4 (FF2 in the US) that really cemented Square and Final Fantasy as a permanent fixture on the RPG scene.
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Old 11-16-04, 05:10 PM   #20
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Vehicle HiJacking and Damage were not in Halo 1 so it cannot be considered.
Umm...did you even read the first post?

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And if we're going back as far as we can, why not complain about Herzog Zwie not being on the list for starting the RTS genre? Why not credit Skynet for being the first FPS with vehicles? Why not mention Trespasser for being the first game (a FPS, no less) which integrated physics into the Gameplay (oops, I guess we can't call Half-life 2 innovational or original anymore ). And comparing the "kicking" in Duke Nukem 3d to the melee attacking in Halo? Why don't you just call Commander Keen a Pong ripoff because you fire things at your enemies in both of them?

Regardless, if you people REALLY have a problem with Halo being on the list, how about Saturnotaku changes it to "Marathon/Halo series"? Oh, and one last thing:

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MS likes to brag alot without knowing the facts, the only record they did break was gross income and thats because they had a more expensive version out to increase the income.
And the funny thing is, Half-life 2 and Doom 3 STANDARD retail price is the same as that "more expensive" version of Halo 2. Not of course including the $80 and $90 packages for Half-life 2. But I highly doubt that $5 extra for a version only a small percentage of the total buyers is going to be the only thing that caused them to have such a high gross income.
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I give up... I can't be convinced Halo was innovative in anyway and I can't convince you that halo is poo .
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Damn, what a painful thread overall. And BTW, Halo is a shallow console-****ed shadow of the game it was originally meant to be. /me shakes his fist at Microsoft. Oh how I despise that company.
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Old 11-16-04, 05:59 PM   #23
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im gonna stick to the pc on this one.

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game(s): doom and half life.

i recall when doom 1st came out, it was mind blowing fun. then came half life which left me with that same euphoric feeling. played alot of games since, have had alot of fun, but none has grabbed at me like those 2.
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