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Old 08-08-02, 02:27 PM   #13
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My bios doesn't have "AGP turbo mode" option, could it be called something else? The graphics are actually not slow or jammed at all. After starting X everything works fine, it's just X startup that takes forever, so I doubt that that would help.

The delay is the same in both cases, when X is started by going to runlevel 5 or started with startx command from runlevel 3. Unfortunately I'm not able to use other machines to ssh to my own, so top really is pretty much out of the question. Unless ofcourse there is some kind of "logging" variant of top that shows what processes were run during X startup and how much they consumed time.
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Old 08-08-02, 03:46 PM   #14
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Well if that didnt work.....try:

startx -- -verbose 5 -logverbose 5

And then check the /var/log/XFree86.0.log

If there is something wrong you will find it there.

Oh yes, if there is an option about AGP Turbo you will find it.
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Old 08-08-02, 04:28 PM   #15
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In my opinion everything in logfile seems pretty much normal. The whole log is attached, maybe someone's wiser with it than I am ?
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Old 08-08-02, 07:01 PM   #16
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Well i maybe out on thin ice here but....you seem to load some modules that i don't think is necessary.

DBE, try to remove thar one, check in the 'Module' section in your XF86Config file and try to remove one and try.

I got these loaded:

type1 <- fonts
freetype <- fonts
glx <- gl
extmod <- gl extensions

afaik these are the only ones you need =)

More than that i cannot help you....i can't see any faults in the logs so.

Oh yes, if you want to try older versions of the NVIDIA drivers try this adress, if it's not that one they have an archive, i've been there:

ftp://download1.nvidia.com/XFree86_40/
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Old 08-08-02, 07:47 PM   #17
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Removing dbe didn't help. I also removed v4l extension (I always thought that I'd need that for my tv-card, but obviously not?) but that didn't help either.
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Old 08-08-02, 08:36 PM   #18
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After downloading older drivers and trying several of them I found that version 1514 has practically no delay at all.

After a quick testing OpenGL programs seem to be working beautifully as well as mplayer and awtv. 1541 version doesn't even seem to be visibly slower on TNT than newer drivers.

Versions 2313 and 2880 cause a delay of about 10 seconds and 2960 nearly a minute.

For me this is a solution enough, though it would ofcourse be interesting to know what causes this delay in newer drivers.
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Old 08-09-02, 06:51 AM   #19
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Probably some minor stuff, like he said it's bigger and such.

Anyway im glad it worked =)
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Old 08-09-02, 07:32 AM   #20
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I'm going to download nvcheck to see if theres a conflict with the GL libraries. I find it hard to believe that the older version of the drivers actually run better especially if they're reusing old code. Who's knows maybe the developers went back and rewrote the code of the existing video cards and mucked it up!
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Old 08-09-02, 06:49 PM   #21
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np

and u got that right....the 'slack' thing! =)
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Old 08-10-02, 11:07 PM   #22
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I've noticed something interesting in my XFree86.0.log file, clip follows:

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(II) NVIDIA(0): Monitor0: Using hsync range of 30.00-95.00 kHz
(II) NVIDIA(0): Monitor0: Using vrefresh range of 50.00-150.00 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0): Clock range: 12.00 to 215.00 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "896x672" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "928x696" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1920x1200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
(**) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes for Display Device 0:
(**) NVIDIA(0): Default mode "1024x768": 94.5 MHz, 68.7 kHz, 85.0 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0): Default mode "1024x768": 78.8 MHz, 60.1 kHz, 75.1 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1024 x 768
(--) NVIDIA(0): Display dimensions: (370, 280) mm
(--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (70, 69)
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Do you think all of the "Not using default mode" messages might have something to do with it? Can anyone with the older drivers that seem to work better confirm or deny the presence of those messages there?
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Old 08-11-02, 04:01 AM   #23
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What the drivers do during X startup is detecting what resolutions your monitor supports and then it checks the resolutions and modelines you have in your XF86Config(-4) file. In your case it seems there are a lot of strange resolutions and perhaps unused resolutions in your XF86Config(-4) file.

If you want to remove those errors, remove those wrong resolutions and modelines. (atleast the drivers think they are wrong)

You can also play with the following two options:
Option "IgnoreEdid" <-- Disable probing of your monitor specs
Option "UseEdidFreqs" <-- Forces the drivers to use the horizontal and vertical refresh rates from the monitor section.

These options can make X startup much faster I think.
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Old 08-11-02, 01:51 PM   #24
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I only want to have one resolution for my computer anyway. Here are the relevant definitions in my XF86Config-4 file:

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# -- 1400x1050 --
# 1400x1050 @ 60Hz, 65.8 kHz hsync
Modeline "1400x1050" 129 1400 1464 1656 1960
1050 1051 1054 1100 +HSync +VSync

# 1400x1050 @ 70Hz, 76.8 kHz hsync
Modeline "1400x1050" 151 1400 1464 1656 1960
1050 1051 1054 1100 +HSync +VSync

# 1400x1050 @ 75Hz, 82.3 kHz hsync
Modeline "1400x1050" 162 1400 1464 1656 1960
1050 1051 1054 1100 +HSync +VSync

# 1400x1050 @ 85Hz, 93.2 kHz hsync
Modeline "1400x1050" 184 1400 1464 1656 1960
1050 1051 1054 1100 +HSync +VSync
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Subsection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1024x768" "1024x768"
EndSubsection
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Even when I comment out all of the Modelines it still gives me those errors. I'll see what happens when I try the options you mentioned.
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