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Old 08-12-02, 05:58 PM   #25
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I don't those lines have anything to do with the problem. They seem to be present with older, faster starting drivers too.
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Old 08-12-02, 06:33 PM   #26
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Both those messages and the long delay remain when using those options. I guess my problem is something different.
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Old 08-12-02, 07:40 PM   #27
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i also have problems with a slow startup
i had a nvidia tnt2 32mb m64 and it worked fine when starting X.
but now i have upgraded to a pixelview geforce4 MX440 and now it takes 10 or so seconds for the login screen to come up.
but i have found that it also takes the same amount of time to load when booting windows XP
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Old 08-12-02, 07:42 PM   #28
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WinXP seems like it would be a different problem; that's when the entire operating system is starting up.
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Old 08-12-02, 08:03 PM   #29
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what i mean is that with my comp
atholn 1800xp, 512ddr
when loading windows the status bar would scroll then it would be loaded now
with only changing the viddeo card
the status bar would scroll for the normal amount of time then the screen goes blank for about 11-13 seconds before being win being loaded
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Old 08-21-02, 06:40 PM   #30
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I have the same problem. It seems that everyone that uses the new drivers with a TNT card also shares this problem. I've read one post where someone resolved the issue and that was by resorting to the older drivers. I can ping my hostname fine, have 512MB DDR RAM and an Athlon CPU at 1.53GHz. Just like the others, once X is started everything is fine and openGL things are fine, but getting into X is a wait of about 15-20secs. The HD is not accessed at all during this waiting time. It used to work fine for me on RH 7 with older drivers, but with 2960 and RH7.3 it's slow. I am learning to type "startx" and go take a bathroom break.

One of you genius' have to have a solution. I have tried changing the "NVagp" setting to every setting w/ no change.
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Old 08-22-02, 02:30 PM   #31
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I am also having this problem and am getting VERY annoyed with it. The delay on my box (Duron 800, Riva TNT) is only about 20 seconds, but there's something odd about my machine during this delay.

For example, I run several programs at their maximum priorities (renice'd to -20). If I do anything with my computer, those programs still work fine (video/audio capture from my TV card, BTW). However, during the delay while X is coming up, even the highest-priority processes stop functioning for several seconds.

If I use the "nv" driver from XFree86, I can stop and restart the X server and the process runs fine without dropping a single frame.

The capturing programs also drop frames when I am switching between X and the console (again, only when using nVidia's drivers).

I did the remote "top" while X was starting and the program did not update the display for several seconds (probably again related to the nVidia delay). When it was updating again, "X" was at the top with 95% CPU.

Lastly, I tried running an older kernel module (1.0-1541) along with the latest GLX. To my surprise, this works, but the huge delay remains. Because of this, I believe the delay is caused by the closed-source GLX libraries. If I use the older GLX installations, the delay is lessened.

PS - Is anyone with a TNT/TNT2 NOT having problems with a delay (10-60 seconds) when starting X?
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Old 08-22-02, 10:11 PM   #32
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I am having similar problems with starting X as well. Here's some information:

Software:
Debian 3.0
kernel 2.4.19
XFree86 4.2.0

Hardware:
Abit BP6 w/ dual Celrons
Hercules TNT (AGP)
KDS VS195e monitor

As noted previously by other users the problem seems to be limited to TNT/TNT2 chips.

I'm not running xdm so I have to start X with "startx" or "xinit" form bash. I'm getting lines in my XFree86.0.log like this:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode...

I notice as X is starting that my monitor is making the clicks and split second scanline blurs characteristic of resolution changes.

I don't have any "modes" sections in my XF86Config-4 file, but I have Virtual and Modes enteries specified in my "Display" subsection of the "Screens" section specified to the sole resolution 1024x768 like this:

Virtual 1024 786
Modes "1024x786"

The number of lines in the logfile suggests that it is searching through all the possible vesa enteries. It takes about 30 seconds to start X. This is the first time I have tried to run the Nvidia drivers, in the past I was using the svga x-server in the older 3.x.x XFree86 releases.

Since the lines in the logfile suggests the Nvidia driver is making the probes it seems that there could be some options in the "Device" section of the XF86Config-4 file passed to the nvidia driver that would tell it what resolution(s) to use. I don't remember reading about such an option in the documentation, but that does not mean it does not exist. Perhpas someone with knowledge of the internals could help out here.

Another posibility occurs to me: One might be able to modify by hand the file where X keeps the tables of vesa enteries such that only the functional resolution(s) will be probed. Now if I only knew where that file exists.
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Old 08-22-02, 10:37 PM   #33
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I don't think the probing of video modes is what is causing the delay, since I used the "IgnoreEdid" and co. options and they did not help.

Also, the older nVidia drivers probe video modes and produce similar results, but they start X much more quickly.
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Old 08-23-02, 06:42 PM   #34
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Hi, i have the same troubles with the lastest version of Nvidia drivers, i tried to write an e-mail to nV support but there was no reply so,what we can do now?!
I have a Slack 8.1 with 2.4.19 kernel and a GeForce 2 MX200
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Old 08-23-02, 07:16 PM   #35
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That's interesting, I thought it was only TNT/TNT2 users that were being affected by this bug. I've reverted to the 1.0-1541 drivers and they work great, but I'm not sure if this is an option for a GeForce2 user =(

The last 3 people all use the 2.4.19 kernel, could this be the common link? I had the same problems on 2.4.18, but I'm not sure about anything before that.
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Old 08-23-02, 07:46 PM   #36
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i don't think the problem it's kernel depending,
last week i used a 2.4.18 and the result was the same, i don't wnat to revert current drivers to the old version because this driver i very powerful (except the boring startup
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