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Old 08-24-02, 01:50 AM   #37
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Angry definitely

It's definitly not (!) kernel-version dependant (assuming 2.4.17+ is used, lower versions I don't know of)

This problem is very old indeed, I already mailed nvidia-bug team about it. They didn't even reply (quite disappointing).

I have any (!) released drivers tested, the latest functional (the one without the lag at X-startup) was 1581.

It's quite disappointing (I wrote this before) that nVidia does not a crap about this problem... (Next time I'll buy something else ...)

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Old 08-24-02, 02:09 AM   #38
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you can get old drivers from

ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86_40/
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Old 08-24-02, 11:36 AM   #39
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So if the old drivers work fine but the new drivers take forever to start, how hard could it be to compare the differences between the versions and see what the problem is? I think if the drivers were open sourced, this bug would have been fixed long ago.
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Old 08-25-02, 12:43 AM   #40
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So if the old drivers work fine but the new drivers take forever to start, how hard could it be to compare the differences between the versions and see what the problem is? I think if the drivers were open sourced, this bug would have been fixed long ago.
Yes that would be really nice... but the suspected source of the "lag" are the GLX-drivers from nVidia. They are closed source, which was mentioned above. So if I would take a look at it, I'm not allowed to spread any fixes, since we have something called "DMCA"... nice thing this.[BR]

If anyways, it's so easy to debug the drivers, why does the nVidia-team not react on mails concerning the case....

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Old 08-25-02, 11:52 AM   #41
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Ok, Nvidia bug reporting don't want give us an answer, so how we can resolve the problem?
Yes the driver isn't GPL,Opensource or something,
so it's important that someone (only Nvidia can do this) give an answer about this problem!...
Customers are Customers, where is the support and the feedback?

Sorry for these words, but i'm very tired, and you too i think...
I tried everything but the situation it's the same..
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Old 09-17-02, 12:50 PM   #42
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Does anybody know if this problem is solved in latest 3123 drivers. I had the same problem with my Geforce2.

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Old 09-17-02, 08:11 PM   #43
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3123 definitely doesn't help for me. In fact, I think it actually makes things start up even more slowly!
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Old 09-17-02, 11:35 PM   #44
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Angry Makes sense

The trend for the drivers seems to be towards slower X startups. That is, with each driver release, X starts up more slowly.

Very annoying... I'm just glad I use a TNT, so I can use the old (fast-starting) drivers.
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Old 09-18-02, 04:20 AM   #45
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I believe this prolbem is actualy difrent.. from my research.

Ive got two ideas. first off is, nVidia is trying to auto set your display and searchs for the proper mod lines. I will try the Option "UseEdidFreqs" option to force it to use mine...(we force it, because after all its MY monitor, I can test it here much easier than nVidia can test my monitor.. right? also they may have a "protection" method in there to keep me from breaking my monitor when it detects an illegal mode??) so anyhow.. tuneing your modlines "might" help, but I really dont know what the card would like... if only we could tell what it decided to use, and plug that into the XFree86-4

and the second Idea I have for crashing/slowness is the incompatabily prolbems with AMD, Athlon's and Linux's (and nVidia's as well) AGP controler.. the prolbem here is in the way Linux handles memory.. its not really a prolbem with either AMD nor nVidia, and the Linux kernel team is currentaly working on it. the "fixes" may be in the development branch so we may not actualy see a stable AMD AGP driver till the 2.6 kernel. a similar prolbem existed on Windows 2k..


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Old 09-18-02, 10:14 PM   #46
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This has been metioned many times before. I tuned my modelines and added some options to my X config so that I no longer got the mode-setting errors and X still starts very slow.

Also, with the 1541 drivers (that I now use), X starts very quickly but still has the modeline errors.
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Old 09-21-02, 09:35 AM   #47
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I am giving up. After trying the latest drivers, the problem has just worsened. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. My fiance just left to pick me up a GeForce-4 MX440. Please tell me that this card is not affected by this "slow X startup" crap. I have read all of the posts in this thread and did not see any GeForce-4 users complaining.

I'll let you know if it works.

P.S. In Columbus, Ohio the GeForce-4 MX420's are going for $79 and the MX440's are $119. I hope it's worth it.

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Old 09-21-02, 01:04 PM   #48
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A have the same problem. When I go trough log messages (verbose level 5), I notice delays in following places:

.......
(--) NVIDIA(0): Chipset : "GeForce4 MX 440"
(--) NVIDIA(0): ChipID : 0x10de0171
(--) NVIDIA(0): ChipRev : 0xa3
(--) NVIDIA(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xD0000000
(--) NVIDIA(0): MMIO registers at 0xE4000000
(WW) System lacks support for changing MTRRs

*** about 12 sec. delay here

(--) NVIDIA(0): Found 2 CRTCs on board

*** about 6 sec. delay here

(--) NVIDIA(0): VideoRAM: 65536 kBytes
(--) NVIDIA(0): Detected TV Encoder: NVIDIA
(--) NVIDIA(0): Display 0: maximum pixel clock at 8 bpp: 350 MHz
(--) NVIDIA(0): Display 0: maximum pixel clock at 16 bpp: 350 MHz
(--) NVIDIA(0): Display 0: maximum pixel clock at 32 bpp: 350 MHz
(II) Loading sub module "ddc"

........

[20] -1 0x0000e000 - 0x0000e003 (0x4) IX[b]
[21] -1 0x0000dc00 - 0x0000dcff (0x100) IX[b]
[22] -1 0x0000d800 - 0x0000d81f (0x20) IX[b]
[23] -1 0x0000d400 - 0x0000d41f (0x20) IX[b]
[24] -1 0x0000d000 - 0x0000d00f (0x10) IX[b]
[25] 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[b](OprU)
[26] 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[b](OprU)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Memory and vga registers mapped

*** about 12 sec. delay here

(II) NVIDIA(0): Verifying AGP usage for Screen 0...
(II) NVIDIA(0): AGP 2X successfully initialized
(II) NVIDIA(0): NVdriver kernel module enabled successfully
(II) NVIDIA(0): Interrupts enabled

......


Thats 30 seconds together. Other messages goes quickly. Unfortunetly, I can't figure, what's wrong. Previous drivers waits 20 seconds, older 10 seconds. NoDDC option doesn't solved this problem.

HW: Abit VH6T, Intel Celeron Tualatin 1.3GHz, Abit Siluro GF4-MX440.
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