Everquest 2. I think I may have a partial solution to stuttering. - Page 15

ChrisRay · 01-27-05, 08:02 PM

Eh accessing the code is easy, I'm sure they have all the tools. The question is how organized they were when writing it. ANd how easily they can modify it. Modifying the code itself isnt the problem. It's the compatibility issues that arise and the software testing. They would have to extensively test any change to shader code. And it would require multiple paths. Once But once they got a SM 2.0 path written, It probably wouldnt take much modifcation for a SM 3.0. As it stands theres alot of to change.

I am curious, Are you really THAT disapointed the game is coded in SM 1.1? I mean? Has it really affected your enjoyment of the game? Seems bizarre to me.

Blacklash · 01-27-05, 10:51 PM

Well I don't hate the game because its 1.1 myself. I am just a bit tired of companies, both ATi(PS 2.0) and nVidia(SM 3.0) selling us these card with uber price tags when we could probably get by with much less. Certainly there are some games that use PS 2.0 and SM 3.0, the question though, is to what extent? It seems to be small even when implemented. By the time games are mostly just using PS 2.0 I'll probably have an entirely new rig. My understanding was SM 3.0 could do everything the others could only much more efficiently. When I honestly look at the games I have played and what I have actually need to push them video wise, well frankly I could have just stuck with my 9800Pro.

Zelda_fan · 01-27-05, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronin

You're wrong, but thanks for trying, and you totally misunderstood what I said to begin with.

What's being talked about a fundamental code change, and it's not just a change on one level, but several.

How do I know? I work for a game developer.

I understand what you are saying, but regardless of the difficulty, the developer has an obligation to a paying customer to make sure their product is stable and bug free.

Ronin · 01-28-05, 01:05 AM

Which has NOTHING to do with what we're talking about here. If you think that transitioning beyond 1.1 to 2.0 or 3.0 would solve the issue that this thread is about, you've either not been paying attention, or you simply know very little about hardware.

ChrisRay · 01-28-05, 01:35 AM

Ronin whom are you arguing with? Its like you carry on arguments with different members like they are the same people arguing a point you made earlier.

Ronin · 01-28-05, 01:52 AM

Shall I start quoting posts to not confuse you?

ChrisRay · 01-28-05, 02:08 AM

It's not that I'm confused. I just find your lobbying peculiar.

Zelda_fan · 01-28-05, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronin

Which has NOTHING to do with what we're talking about here. If you think that transitioning beyond 1.1 to 2.0 or 3.0 would solve the issue that this thread is about, you've either not been paying attention, or you simply know very little about hardware.

Ronin, I"m talking about fixing the stutter issue. I'm not sure what you are talking about....

01-28-05, 08:03 AM

Im just confused...

Sgt_Pitt · 01-28-05, 10:03 AM

im just angry

Ronin · 01-28-05, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisRay

It's not that I'm confused. I just find your lobbying peculiar.

I think it's pretty clear, actually.

You have people bitching and moaning about things they don't know a damn thing about, from graphics/gaming engines to card designs. It's typical, actually, for people to complain about what they don't know about, because if they did, they'd understand better exactly what's going on.

All you whiners that don't know anything, do the rest of us a favor that do and pipe down.

bmg · 01-28-05, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronin

You're wrong, but thanks for trying, and you totally misunderstood what I said to begin with.

What's being talked about a fundamental code change, and it's not just a change on one level, but several.

How do I know? I work for a game developer.

You're from San Diego. Any chance you work for SOE?

01-27-05, 08:02 PM	#169
ChrisRay Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tulsa Posts: 5,101	Re: Everquest 2. I think I may have a partial solution to stuttering. Eh accessing the code is easy, I'm sure they have all the tools. The question is how organized they were when writing it. ANd how easily they can modify it. Modifying the code itself isnt the problem. It's the compatibility issues that arise and the software testing. They would have to extensively test any change to shader code. And it would require multiple paths. Once But once they got a SM 2.0 path written, It probably wouldnt take much modifcation for a SM 3.0. As it stands theres alot of to change. I am curious, Are you really THAT disapointed the game is coded in SM 1.1? I mean? Has it really affected your enjoyment of the game? Seems bizarre to me. __________________ \|CPU: Intel I7 Lynnfield @ 3.0 Ghz\|Mobo:Asus P7P55 WS Supercomputer \|Memory:8 Gigs DDR3 1333\|Video:Geforce GTX 295 Quad SLI\|Monitor:Samsung Syncmaster 1680x1080 3D Vision\/Olevia 27 Inch Widescreen HDTV 1920x1080 \|CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Black Edition @ 2.5 Ghz\|Mobo:Asus M3n HT Deluxe Nforce 780A\|Memory: 4 gigs DDR2 800\| Video: Geforce GTX 280x2 SLI Nzone SLI Forum Administrator NVIDIA User Group Members receive free software and/or hardware from NVIDIA from time to time to facilitate the evaluation of NVIDIA products. However, the opinions expressed are solely those of the members

01-27-05, 10:51 PM	#170
Blacklash 8^9^3 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Old Vizima Posts: 3,679	Re: Everquest 2. I think I may have a partial solution to stuttering. Well I don't hate the game because its 1.1 myself. I am just a bit tired of companies, both ATi(PS 2.0) and nVidia(SM 3.0) selling us these card with uber price tags when we could probably get by with much less. Certainly there are some games that use PS 2.0 and SM 3.0, the question though, is to what extent? It seems to be small even when implemented. By the time games are mostly just using PS 2.0 I'll probably have an entirely new rig. My understanding was SM 3.0 could do everything the others could only much more efficiently. When I honestly look at the games I have played and what I have actually need to push them video wise, well frankly I could have just stuck with my 9800Pro. __________________ Intel Core i7 920 @ 3.96GHz (1.36v)\|Mushkin 998681 XP3-12800 (3x2GB) ASUS TUF Sabertooth (X58)\|ASUS GTX 580 DirectCU II (980\|4604)\|ASUS PA246Q WD VelociRaptor 150GB HD (x2)\|Pioneer DVR-2920Q\|LG GH22LS30\|Klipsch PM20 2.0 SilverStone OP1000-E\|SilverStone TJ10-B\|Thermalright U-120 Extreme\|Win 7 HP x64

01-28-05, 01:05 AM	#172
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01-28-05, 01:35 AM	#173
ChrisRay Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tulsa Posts: 5,101	Re: Everquest 2. I think I may have a partial solution to stuttering. Ronin whom are you arguing with? Its like you carry on arguments with different members like they are the same people arguing a point you made earlier. __________________ \|CPU: Intel I7 Lynnfield @ 3.0 Ghz\|Mobo:Asus P7P55 WS Supercomputer \|Memory:8 Gigs DDR3 1333\|Video:Geforce GTX 295 Quad SLI\|Monitor:Samsung Syncmaster 1680x1080 3D Vision\/Olevia 27 Inch Widescreen HDTV 1920x1080 \|CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Black Edition @ 2.5 Ghz\|Mobo:Asus M3n HT Deluxe Nforce 780A\|Memory: 4 gigs DDR2 800\| Video: Geforce GTX 280x2 SLI Nzone SLI Forum Administrator NVIDIA User Group Members receive free software and/or hardware from NVIDIA from time to time to facilitate the evaluation of NVIDIA products. However, the opinions expressed are solely those of the members

01-28-05, 01:52 AM	#174
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01-28-05, 02:08 AM	#175
ChrisRay Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tulsa Posts: 5,101	Re: Everquest 2. I think I may have a partial solution to stuttering. It's not that I'm confused. I just find your lobbying peculiar. __________________ \|CPU: Intel I7 Lynnfield @ 3.0 Ghz\|Mobo:Asus P7P55 WS Supercomputer \|Memory:8 Gigs DDR3 1333\|Video:Geforce GTX 295 Quad SLI\|Monitor:Samsung Syncmaster 1680x1080 3D Vision\/Olevia 27 Inch Widescreen HDTV 1920x1080 \|CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Black Edition @ 2.5 Ghz\|Mobo:Asus M3n HT Deluxe Nforce 780A\|Memory: 4 gigs DDR2 800\| Video: Geforce GTX 280x2 SLI Nzone SLI Forum Administrator NVIDIA User Group Members receive free software and/or hardware from NVIDIA from time to time to facilitate the evaluation of NVIDIA products. However, the opinions expressed are solely those of the members

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