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Old 12-16-04, 10:49 PM   #73
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I'm still trying to figure out how come when I run wow @ 1280 x1064, 4xaa, 16x af, all sliders max I'm only getting 15-20 fps while similar systems with a X800XT are getting 50-75fps at high resolutions.
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Old 12-17-04, 01:53 AM   #74
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If you do have all the sliders to the max that would explain why you are having problems. One of the sliders is for the terrain viewing distance. If it's maxed out it will destroy your performance big time and it's in no way even needed. I can see far and I only have it halfway.
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If you do have all the sliders to the max that would explain why you are having problems. One of the sliders is for the terrain viewing distance. If it's maxed out it will destroy your performance big time and it's in no way even needed. I can see far and I only have it halfway.
Yeah but he claims X800 gets 5x performance , which is impossible with everything on , unleas it was benchmarked on different locations , id like to see X800 geting 5x FPS
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I am playing WoW atm again. Dunno which I will end up playing in the long run. Everquest 2 is a fun, beautiful and immersive game. But I dont feel the game is finished, WoW on the other hand I dont believe is gonna have the lasting appeal EQ 2 has..

Cant decide.. very turmoiled over these 2 games and too cheap to pay for them both..
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Old 12-17-04, 06:10 AM   #77
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I am playing WoW atm again. Dunno which I will end up playing in the long run. Everquest 2 is a fun, beautiful and immersive game. But I dont feel the game is finished, WoW on the other hand I dont believe is gonna have the lasting appeal EQ 2 has..

Cant decide.. very turmoiled over these 2 games and too cheap to pay for them both..

I'm beginning to find myself in the same situation. Although eq2 is more my type with its, advanced gameplay, art style and atmosphere it really is just like you said a unfinished game. Broken sounds, huge fps drops, hdd swapping and stutters arn't helping out on the decision of playing it right now. I have my second character in eq2, a lvl 12 soccorer in which I have soloed with so far. Even by myself at balanced settings(no shadows/flora going off the graphic guide) when I cast a spell on a mob my fps shoot almost to single digits. It hampers game play imo. It's the same with my lvl 27 Ranger and group battling, spells are casted and it's a damn slide show.

I may just put eq2 on hold for a few months and toy around with wow. Overall it's a fun game, just doesn't suck me in like eq2. Feels like a MMOplatformer. Maybe SOE will have some nice patches in a month or 2.
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Old 12-17-04, 06:17 AM   #78
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If you do have all the sliders to the max that would explain why you are having problems. One of the sliders is for the terrain viewing distance. If it's maxed out it will destroy your performance big time and it's in no way even needed. I can see far and I only have it halfway.

Wells here's the thing. I went up last night and picked up X800XT(second time I did this, ugh also did it with eq2 to see the difference). Swapped cards and played WOW and sure enough, with the same exact settings, 1280x1064, 6xaa(instead of 4x), 16xaa, and all the in game settings untouched from when set with the 6800gt and my FRAPS counter doesn't move off of 60fps(vsync cap). So not only am I finding a huge peformance difference in eq2, also super huge in wow. So either my GT is borked or the X800XT is slapping the **** out of the GT.
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Wells here's the thing. I went up last night and picked up X800XT(second time I did this, ugh also did it with eq2 to see the difference). Swapped cards and played WOW and sure enough, with the same exact settings, 1280x1064, 6xaa(instead of 4x), 16xaa, and all the in game settings untouched from when set with the 6800gt and my FRAPS counter doesn't move off of 60fps(vsync cap). So not only am I finding a huge peformance difference in eq2, also super huge in wow. So either my GT is borked or the X800XT is slapping the **** out of the GT.


That is extremely odd.. I am loving WoW performance. Playing the game in Darnassus @ 1280x1024 with 4xAA/16xAF (quality) with only trilinear opts enabled and getting very smooth gameplay))

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I'm beginning to find myself in the same situation. Although eq2 is more my type with its, advanced gameplay, art style and atmosphere it really is just like you said a unfinished game. Broken sounds, huge fps drops, hdd swapping and stutters arn't helping out on the decision of playing it right now. I have my second character in eq2, a lvl 12 soccorer in which I have soloed with so far. Even by myself at balanced settings(no shadows/flora going off the graphic guide) when I cast a spell on a mob my fps shoot almost to single digits. It hampers game play imo. It's the same with my lvl 27 Ranger and group battling, spells are casted and it's a damn slide show.

I may just put eq2 on hold for a few months and toy around with wow. Overall it's a fun game, just doesn't suck me in like eq2. Feels like a MMOplatformer. Maybe SOE will have some nice patches in a month or 2.
My other problem with EQ 2 atm is the content is kinda poorly designed and layed out. Compare Commonlands to Antonica. Antonica has a much better and more linear progressionm. Solo/group content is very well divided. Commonlands. It's huddled together and its very hard to find the good solo spots when you cant find a group.

Nektulos Verses Thundering Steppes is kinda similar. But the solo content in steppes/nektulos is even worse, Though managable. Now I can understand this is a group game. But throwing a few solo creatures out in the middle of a TON of double arrow up group creatures just doesnt work. Atm the content is confusing and kinda poorly layed out. ((But these are all things I expect and predict sony will fix. They just cant leave these zones like this. No one hunts in Nektulos unless they're doing Armor Quests. Because the zone is that poorly designed and needs its encountesr adjusted.

The experience penalty system is nuts. I am actually to the point where grouping scares me to death. Last night in 3 casual groups. I managed to wreack up 30% exp debt. And I only died once! It actually discourages casual grouping and usually forces players to stick with a few select players. This is of course IMO a very bad thing.

The game is great though, Immersive, beautiful. Great Quality sound. They just should have waited another 4-5 months and fixed it to be a better game.. I am deciding with a few friends (We have both) What we're gonna play in the mean time. (EQ 2 or WoW) Fortunately if we tire of one we can go back to the other.

Its saddens me really. I have such high hopes for EQ 2. I really hope they fix some of these problems.
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Old 12-17-04, 07:38 AM   #80
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Looks like us eq2 fans may be in for a treat.

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/e...p&message.id=4

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Yeah, them "casual groups". Ugh. lol...I've learned quick in how to judge a group with in the firts couple of battles, why take the chance. If things arn't going to well(several factors) I will boogie. Like you said, raking up 30, 40, 50% of debt can be a nightmare and you spend the next 3 days trying to even out what you just racked up in a hour. They need to tone down the pentalies a bit.
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Once you get past TS and Nek, you will go to Zek and Enchanted Lands, I'm currently lvl 31 warden, these two zones are awesome because there's a lot of easy to get to solo mobs here. I soloed for about 2 hours and got 2 yellows at 30, soloing lvl 32-34 mobs, it was great. Zek has a lot of solo mobs also, Zek is a little lower level though. EL has solo mobs that are lvl 37! So you can solo for a good while there. I've also taken note that you can get almost 2 yellows xp from just exploring. For example, there's a quest at docks in Zek that asks you to kill orcs till you find 10 notes,
it's pretty easy since you can practically solo it in less than 30min. Afterwards he gives you a quest to find certain landmarks, and when you visit each land mark, at least at lvl 30, the xp per discovery was about 3-5 blues, and there was about 11 discoveries. So that's 4x11= 44 blue = almost 50% xp. Then once you get back you get quest xp PLUS a reward so that's about a total of 50% xp right there. Same as in EL, except you get an AWESOME ring for doing an easy soloable quest. When you get higher, there are more solo mobs than other places, at lower levels it kinda pushes you to group basically because grouping at lower levels gives A LOT faster xp than at higher levels, and at higher lvls you go lfg for a long time sometimes, so I just solo for a while and get a good amount of xp.
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Becouse both games are completely different EQ2 was made to look more realistic with real proportional character bodys (offcourse its still a game and doesn't look real neither does HalfLife2 ), not WoW Fantazy over colored elefant ears elfs , not that i don't like Fantasy or something , but calling one bad art becouse its not cartoonish toon and another discovery of America is plain wrong and bias. If you don't like plain colored Hummer and prefer your Ten color Ferrari does that make Hummer are crap ? don't think so.
Considering it's entirely subjective, I can certainly call one "bad art". EQ2 has nice lighting and shader effects but it looks like a rainy day in Europe all the time, very dull and very artificial. When I played it, I couldn't get into the world at all because everything looked like it was made out of play-dough. Very dull colors, very dull character models and very poor animation. In my opinion. The drab dark green, greys, and slate blues were very depressing.
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http://www.gameindustry.com/review/item.asp?id=495

This posted url does not neccessarily reflect my opinion, it is just simply somebody elses opinion (rather bias if you ask me.) that might be useful to others. (If you wish to see my opinion its the 3rd post on the 1st page.)
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Considering it's entirely subjective, I can certainly call one "bad art". EQ2 has nice lighting and shader effects but it looks like a rainy day in Europe all the time, very dull and very artificial. When I played it, I couldn't get into the world at all because everything looked like it was made out of play-dough. Very dull colors, very dull character models and very poor animation. In my opinion. The drab dark green, greys, and slate blues were very depressing.

Hey, sounds like a atmosphere to me.
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