Geforce FX+HL2

fraggenstien · 09-13-04, 05:36 PM

Do no other nvidia geforce FX owners care but me that their cards wont be able to play Half Life 2 with all the DX9 effects turned on, after we spent our hard earned cash on these NEXT GEN supposedly DX 9 cards. After all we got them to play doom 3 and HL 2 on did'nt we?. Have we been ripped off?, will nvidia release drivers so we will get all the effects(at good speeds) before the game is released?,is any one else P***ed off?.

nVidiaGuru · 09-13-04, 06:05 PM

im not pissed cuz the dx9 effects in hl2 arent that big of a difference from what ive seen, and i dont care about hl2 i want cs

Cota · 09-13-04, 06:08 PM

If halflife 2 was released a over year ago as promised, I would be very pissed.

Now I'm getting a 6800gt anyway (and no half life 2 on stores yet) so I don't care at all.

Lfctony · 09-13-04, 06:15 PM

Nice 1st post, did you register just to start a flame war?

ragejg · 09-13-04, 06:46 PM

I got my binoculars on this thread...

And yeah, it does look like a sad attempt at starting a flamewar...

but ya know what, we can actually glean a decent disussion out of this wrt nv3x usage of DX8 class shaders, and the associated small IQ differences, and large amount of performance increase present with the DX8 code usage... hmm, add all that up and it really does look like Valve is actually helping nv3x card owners maintain usability of their cards in the new engine...

Kev1 · 09-13-04, 07:04 PM

I'm pretty sure that eventually people with 5700 Ultra's or 5900 cards will play HL2 fine with DX9 effects. I have no basis for this belief other than these cards are much better than people give them credit for

Lfctony · 09-13-04, 08:02 PM

If I still had my 5900, I'd just play in DX8.1 mode. Even if the GeforceFX would play it acceptably in DX9 mode, almost as a 9600 Pro would, the performance advantage offered by running in DX8.1 mode is simply impossible to ignore. Expecially for that small of an IQ difference.

morbias · 09-14-04, 08:38 AM

It looks like Geforce FX cards won't be that compatible with much of the new dX9 software coming out due to an issue in the pixel shader hardware. There is a flaw in nVidia's pixel shader 2.0 architecture and consequently causes a cascade effect in certain dX8 games because of backward compatibility problems with pixel shader 1.2 based code.
Certain dX9 shader code is also incompatible with these chips which means a lot of new software will not work correctly. This problem looks set to be present in nVidia's PS3.0 technology as well, so the 6800 has the dX8 cascade problem, and will most likely have problems with upcoming dX9 releases as well.

there is no fix for this - it is a hardware problem

Gator · 09-14-04, 08:39 AM

(me shrugs) I couldn't care less, give me acceptable frame rates at 1024x768 and I'm happy

ragejg · 09-14-04, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morbias

It looks like Geforce FX cards won't be that compatible with much of the new dX9 software coming out due to an issue in the pixel shader hardware. There is a flaw in nVidia's pixel shader 2.0 architecture and consequently causes a cascade effect in certain dX8 games because of backward compatibility problems with pixel shader 1.2 based code.
Certain dX9 shader code is also incompatible with these chips which means a lot of new software will not work correctly. This problem looks set to be present in nVidia's PS3.0 technology as well, so the 6800 has the dX8 cascade problem, and will most likely have problems with upcoming dX9 releases as well.

there is no fix for this - it is a hardware problem

I'd like to see a link to that claim, esp. something re: nv40's "cascade problem".

morbias · 09-14-04, 09:21 AM

the problem is only present in certain 3d engines, so it will only effect certain implementations of the shader.

i used the term 'cascade effect' to illustrate the fact that once the problem occurs, it will only get worse and can only be fixed by a reboot.

an example of this effect in asheron's call 2 on an ac2 forum: http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:B...C2&hl=en]forum
i have read that the 6800 will display the same corruption, unless pixel shaders are turned off, but i don't have the link for that. try searching on google

**zoomy942** · 09-14-04, 09:39 AM

i think all nv3x users should

their cards before the war starts.

09-13-04, 05:36 PM	#1
fraggenstien Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3	Geforce FX+HL2 Do no other nvidia geforce FX owners care but me that their cards wont be able to play Half Life 2 with all the DX9 effects turned on, after we spent our hard earned cash on these NEXT GEN supposedly DX 9 cards. After all we got them to play doom 3 and HL 2 on did'nt we?. Have we been ripped off?, will nvidia release drivers so we will get all the effects(at good speeds) before the game is released?,is any one else P***ed off?.

09-13-04, 06:05 PM	#2
nVidiaGuru nvidias #1 fanboy! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Waco Texas Posts: 207	Re: Geforce FX+HL2 im not pissed cuz the dx9 effects in hl2 arent that big of a difference from what ive seen, and i dont care about hl2 i want cs

09-13-04, 06:08 PM	#3
Cota Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 619	Re: Geforce FX+HL2 If halflife 2 was released a over year ago as promised, I would be very pissed. Now I'm getting a 6800gt anyway (and no half life 2 on stores yet) so I don't care at all.

09-13-04, 06:15 PM	#4
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09-13-04, 06:46 PM	#5
ragejg nV News Alumni Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Finger Lakes of Hell, NY Posts: 5,399	Re: Geforce FX+HL2 I got my binoculars on this thread... And yeah, it does look like a sad attempt at starting a flamewar... but ya know what, we can actually glean a decent disussion out of this wrt nv3x usage of DX8 class shaders, and the associated small IQ differences, and large amount of performance increase present with the DX8 code usage... hmm, add all that up and it really does look like Valve is actually helping nv3x card owners maintain usability of their cards in the new engine... __________________ 2010-2011 Reviews: GTX 570 \| GTX 580 \| GTS 450 \| GTX 460 \| GTX 465 Pre-2010 Reviews: 6600 GT \| XMS 4400 DDR \| SilenX Cooler \| 6800 \| 5900 XT \| Personal Cinema \| 5900 NU ______________________________________________ Phenom II x6 1090t @ 4.0 ghz \| Asus M498TD-EVO Am3 SLI nForce 980a \| 2x EVGA GTX 560 SLI \| 2x4gb DDR3-1333 \| Antec EarthWatts EA650 PSU \| 60gb Mushkin Calisto Enhanced Sandforce SSD \| 2x WD2500KS RAID 0 \| Sunbeam Tuniq 3 case \| 24" Asus 19x10 LED LCD \| 26" Panasonic 720p TV \| Sidewinder X5 mouse \| Logitech MX5500 & Revolution mouse \| Altec Lansing 5.1 THX-Certified audio \| Win 7 Ultimate \| desk \| couch "Stars must die so that I may live. I... stepped out of a Supernova."

09-13-04, 07:04 PM	#6
Kev1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 679	Re: Geforce FX+HL2 I'm pretty sure that eventually people with 5700 Ultra's or 5900 cards will play HL2 fine with DX9 effects. I have no basis for this belief other than these cards are much better than people give them credit for

09-13-04, 08:02 PM	#7
Lfctony Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Larnaca, Cyprus Posts: 4,152	Re: Geforce FX+HL2 If I still had my 5900, I'd just play in DX8.1 mode. Even if the GeforceFX would play it acceptably in DX9 mode, almost as a 9600 Pro would, the performance advantage offered by running in DX8.1 mode is simply impossible to ignore. Expecially for that small of an IQ difference. __________________ Fafnir: Intel Core 2 Quad 6600@3.2Ghz\|eVGA 780i SLI\|PNY GTX480 \|Kingston DDR667 4096MB\|WD Black Caviar 500GB\|Seagate SATA 250GB\|Seagate SATA 200GB\| Seagate SATA 160GB\|OptiArc AD-7173S DVDRW\|Nec 3351 DVDRW\|Creative X-FI XM\|LG Flatron W2261V\|Logitech X-530\|Thermaltake Armor\|Amptac 850W SLI PSU\|Logitech G9 Mouse\|Xigmatek HDT S-1283 CPU Cooler\|Windows 7/FW 257.21 PS2 - Wii - Xbox - Xbox360 - PSP - GC - PS3 Owner Boycott Starforce... Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes?

09-14-04, 08:38 AM	#8
morbias point & click Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 22	Re: Geforce FX+HL2 It looks like Geforce FX cards won't be that compatible with much of the new dX9 software coming out due to an issue in the pixel shader hardware. There is a flaw in nVidia's pixel shader 2.0 architecture and consequently causes a cascade effect in certain dX8 games because of backward compatibility problems with pixel shader 1.2 based code. Certain dX9 shader code is also incompatible with these chips which means a lot of new software will not work correctly. This problem looks set to be present in nVidia's PS3.0 technology as well, so the 6800 has the dX8 cascade problem, and will most likely have problems with upcoming dX9 releases as well. there is no fix for this - it is a hardware problem __________________ AMD Athlon64 3000+ SL-K8AV2-RL MB (VIA K8T800 chipset) 512MB Samsung PC3200 130GB Seagate + IBM ide Geforce FX 5900 ultra (nVidia reference version) Creative SB Live Digital

09-14-04, 08:39 AM	#9
Gator Unreal Tournament Gamer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 2,279	Re: Geforce FX+HL2 (me shrugs) I couldn't care less, give me acceptable frame rates at 1024x768 and I'm happy __________________ Athlon64 3200 Clawhammer / Asus K8N-E Deluxe / 1GB Crucial DDR400 / Geforce 6600GT 128MB AGP / Windows XP Pro

09-14-04, 09:21 AM	#11
morbias point & click Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 22	Re: Geforce FX+HL2 the problem is only present in certain 3d engines, so it will only effect certain implementations of the shader. i used the term 'cascade effect' to illustrate the fact that once the problem occurs, it will only get worse and can only be fixed by a reboot. an example of this effect in asheron's call 2 on an ac2 forum: http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:B...C2&hl=en]forum i have read that the 6800 will display the same corruption, unless pixel shaders are turned off, but i don't have the link for that. try searching on google __________________ AMD Athlon64 3000+ SL-K8AV2-RL MB (VIA K8T800 chipset) 512MB Samsung PC3200 130GB Seagate + IBM ide Geforce FX 5900 ultra (nVidia reference version) Creative SB Live Digital

09-14-04, 09:39 AM	#12
zoomy942 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bellevue, ID Posts: 5,330	Re: Geforce FX+HL2 i think all nv3x users should their cards before the war starts.

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