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Old 12-28-04, 12:39 PM   #1
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Default 5200 Go with 64 Megs Vs 5650 Go w 128 Megs

I just picked myself up a new Dell Latitude D800 with the 15.4 Widescreen display which I will be using primarly for business. I do like to do some gaming on it from time to time as well. I had opted for the mid level graphics card option which is the 5200 Go w 64 Megs of Ram.

The processor is the new Pentium 755 M @ 2 GhZ with 2 Megs of L2 Cache and 400 FSB. This processer is smokin and its a shame they pair it with such a lame graphic chip. Anyway, I am strongly considering returning the 5200 (which i can do for only $25. shipping) and pay the difference for the 5650 Go and the 128 M onboard Ram.

The question is, will it be worth the exta 180 bucks for me to upgrade to this chip? Am i going to see a significant improvement in performance on UT2004, Doom III, my dusk and dawn demos etc. as well as video playback on my 720p or 1080i HD content.


Any and all comments would be appreciated.
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Default Re: 5200 Go with 64 Megs Vs 5650 Go w 128 Megs

There are other factors to be taken into consideration. What is the core speed ? And the memory speed ? Does it have a 64 bit or 128 bit memory bus ?

Without knowing all these aspects (and usually notebook producers don't follow the book when it comes to integrate discrete GPUs on their custom motherboards) it's impossible to reach accurate conclusions.

Myself, I wouldn't spend 180$ on such an upgrade. Honestly, I wouldn't even consider a NV3x derivative in a notebook. Mobile chips from Ati have still an edge when it comes to power consumption and processing power. I don't know if Dell is currently offering Ati GPUs, but a mobility 9600 or 9700 are a better choice and they've already found their way even in modest priced notebooks of the mainstream segment.
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Myself, I wouldn't spend 180$ on such an upgrade. Honestly, I wouldn't even consider a NV3x derivative in a notebook. Mobile chips from Ati have still an edge when it comes to power consumption and processing power. I don't know if Dell is currently offering Ati GPUs, but a mobility 9600 or 9700 are a better choice and they've already found their way even in modest priced notebooks of the mainstream segment.
I second that. I had a Dell Inspiron with the GeForce4 440 Go (GF2-based) but then ATI a couple weeks later started shipping the Mobility 9000 chip, which would have absolutely blown the doors off what I had.

If you can find a laptop with the 9700 (or wait for the GF 6800 Go), get that. You won't regret it.
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Old 12-28-04, 01:29 PM   #4
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Default Re: 5200 Go with 64 Megs Vs 5650 Go w 128 Megs

Both chips are 128 Bit bus... the core of the 5200 is 300 Mhz and the 5650 is 325, although it is clocked lower than that on the D800. Both have memory clocked at 300 i believe. The 5200 is based on .15 technology and the 5650 on .13.

I too would choose an ATI based chip if i could but none of those are options on the D800 currently.
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Default Re: 5200 Go with 64 Megs Vs 5650 Go w 128 Megs

A quick follow up to my last post.... i know that neither of them are the best options for gaming and to be honest I'm not all that concerned about the $180 dollar cost. The main issue to me would be, is the 5650 going to be better at DX9 and DX8 apps than the 5200? Looking at the specs of the chips im not really sure what the difference is between them.

I was curious if anyone might know of any benchmarks on the 5200 Go vs. 5650 Go etc. I've done a google search and don't seem to come up with too much. All the benchmarks on the Inspiron 8600 though are done with the 5650, and some reviewers seem to think its a fairly good mobile chip.
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Go for the upgrade. Two reasons:

5200 is NV34M and the 5650 is a NV31M refresh. The original 31M gives better performance than NV34M for power, for quality, and for pure bandwidth. The NV31M 5650 refresh is even better yet. I'm familiar with the raw specs; I wrote the NV18M/31M/34M/36M mobile design guides at NVIDIA in 2003.

Maximizing the a laptop at purchase is ALWAYS worth it; you can't change your mind later.
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Old 01-04-05, 10:28 AM   #7
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Go for the upgrade. Two reasons:

5200 is NV34M and the 5650 is a NV31M refresh. The original 31M gives better performance than NV34M for power, for quality, and for pure bandwidth. The NV31M 5650 refresh is even better yet. I'm familiar with the raw specs; I wrote the NV18M/31M/34M/36M mobile design guides at NVIDIA in 2003.

Maximizing the a laptop at purchase is ALWAYS worth it; you can't change your mind later.
I hear ya there ricercar, and to be honest I tend to agree with you. If i feel the Latop is sluggish graphically now, it will feel much more so a year from now, or two etc. Since I am intending on keeping it for at least 3 years I may as well maximize my purchase with it now. Thanks for the input.
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Old 02-04-05, 12:54 PM   #8
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Default Re: 5200 Go with 64 Megs Vs 5650 Go w 128 Megs

When I read your story it seems like U can give me an answer.

I have a Latitude D800 with a Graphical Chip NVIDIA GeForce Go 5200 32 MB

I M livin'in Holland and have tried to upgrade it via Dell to a 5650 128 MB, but it seems like that's impossible.

Do U know if and how I can buy the NVIDIA GeForce Go 5650 128 MB?


Thanx in Advance..

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