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Old 04-28-05, 01:09 AM   #49
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Machine configuration?
Have a look a few posts back.

Why nobody from nVidia talks to us? It is simillar to the situation with hardware WMV decompression - it still doesn't work (AFAIK); all customers were cheated.
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Old 04-28-05, 08:57 AM   #51
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Baaah... sorry... didn't notice your handle.

As for the "why", one of following:
A. They are busy working on a bug fix for us.
B. They can't really help us right now; we are screwed; being, well, humans, they don't enjoy getting their ass kicked for releasing buggy drivers so they avoid this forum like the black plague.
C. They don't give a ****.

Which of the three? I hope for A, expect B and fear C.
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Old 04-28-05, 03:30 PM   #52
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I think at this point that we should just wait for an nVidia employee to say something. Although this could turn into another "we won't say anything" issue like video in.

LubosD, if you absolutely must try something more to get rid of the crashes, you can (in succession):

Disable AGP fast writes and sideband addressing
Scale back AGP to 2x
Switch to the "nv" driver...
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Old 04-28-05, 04:35 PM   #53
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Just a me too:
I also have the Xid freeze with an old tnt2 model64/64pro.
I can trigger it systematically with mozilla when browsing kernel.org
and clicking on a link there. I guess Linus really doesn't like when
his kernel is tainted
RenderAccell doesn't make a difference.
Setting NoRenderExtension makes the freeze disapear but my icons
and fonts look terrible.
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Old 04-29-05, 09:37 AM   #54
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Attached are nvidia-error-log and sysrq-t log from
latest Xid crash I had.
Kernel is 2.6.11-cko4,Nvidia MX440,xorg-6.8.2.

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Old 04-29-05, 10:29 AM   #55
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I think at this point that we should just wait for an nVidia employee to say something. Although this could turn into another "we won't say anything" issue like video in.

LubosD, if you absolutely must try something more to get rid of the crashes, you can (in succession):

Disable AGP fast writes and sideband addressing
Scale back AGP to 2x
Switch to the "nv" driver...
AGP fast writes and sideband addressing are disabled.
AGP to 2x? Oh, thats unusable. I am already running at 4x (with my 8x card). It doesn't (probably) crash with AGP 2x, but how can I play games with 10FPS...
Nv? What is it for ? (What is my card for with nv driver? No 3D...). No 3D = no crash.
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Old 04-29-05, 12:04 PM   #56
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Hi,

Here are my 2 cents to the problem...

I recently upgraded my system from SuSE Linux 9.2 to SuSE Linux 9.3 and I have the habit of running games on a different X-Server than my Xfce. Under 9.2 I never had a problem switching between the two X-Servers but since I started using 9.3 my computer will crash in 8 out of 10 cases when I switch from 3D to 2D (or 2D to 3D). Sometimes only a Reset helps, but sometimes I can still log in from a different computer using ssh and I find what most people know as the "Xid" problem... the X process goes nuts and eats up the whole CPU-power (top: 99.9%) and dmesg shows stuff like this:
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NVRM: Xid: 23,  L1 -> L0
NVRM: Xid: 3, C 00000002 SC 00000003 M 00000184 Data beef0201
NVRM: Xid: 23,  L0 -> L0
NVRM: Xid: 8, Channel 00000000
NVRM: Xid: 3, C 00000002 SC 00000003 M 00000184 Data beef0201
NVRM: Xid: 8, Channel 00000020
NVRM: Xid: 3, C 00000002 SC 00000003 M 00000184 Data beef0201
NVRM: Xid: 3, C 00000002 SC 00000003 M 00000184 Data beef0201
NVRM: Xid: 3, C 00000002 SC 00000003 M 00000184 Data beef0201
NVRM: Xid: 8, Channel 00000020
NVRM: Xid: 8, Channel 00000020
NVRM: Xid: 8, Channel 00000020
So I downgraded from X.org 6.8.2 (which came with 9.3) to X.org 6.8.1 (which came with 9.2). The crashes, when switching between X-Servers, seem to be gone, as far as I can see
But I still get Xid messages when switching... (not always, 2 out of 10)
Code:
NVRM: Xid: 23,  L1 -> L0
NVRM: Xid: 6, PE01ff 1ffc ffffffff 00000018 00000000 00000000
NVRM: Xid: 23,  L1 -> L0
NVRM: Xid: 6, PE01ff 1ffc ffffffff 0031fefc 00000000 00000000
NVRM: Xid: 23,  L1 -> L0
NVRM: Xid: 6, PE01ff 1ffc ffffffff 00000018 00000000 00000000
I don't know why with X.org 6.8.2 I get Xid: 23, 8 and 3 (and crashes...) and with 6.8.1 I get Xid: 23 and 6.

I still have the problem that if I play a game (like Doom3 or NWN) the game sometimes crashes after 30 min and if I start again it doesn't crash again even if I play for hours. It's always just the game that crashes not the whole system. (this happend under 9.2 too)

I attached the nvidia-bug-reports for SuSE 9.2 and SuSE 9.3. (for machine specs and stuff...)

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CPU: P4 2,8c Ghz
MoBo: Asus P4P800 Deluxe
Asus V9999 GE (GeForce 6800)
Nvidia Driver: 1.0-7174
SuSE Linux 9.3 (Kernel 2.6.11.4)
X.org 6.8.1 (downgraded from 6.8.2)

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1, 2, 8, 13, 17 and 23 are my Xid numbers under X.org 6.8.1.

2 happens only if I kill an fullscreen OpenGL app from another VT and then switch to X (to VT7).
8 is always present in case of crash.
17 doesn't lead to crash (in my case).
23 is in the case of freeze during gameplay (just random crash).
13 and 1 occur exceptionally.

23 followed by 8 is the most frequent combination.
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I think about writing some (e-)mail to some higher nVidia "positions" because this staff really don't talk to us.
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Old 04-29-05, 04:39 PM   #59
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I think about writing some (e-)mail to some higher nVidia "positions" because this staff really don't talk to us.
In the past zander used to frequent the forum and solve problems; sadly enough he completely disappeared since the release of the 71.74 drivers... For all intent and purposes, we are on our own.

Pete H,
When you play games on 6.8.1, and the game crashes, does the X go down with it? Do you get Xid errors?
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In the past zander used to frequent the forum and solve problems; sadly enough he completely disappeared since the release of the 71.74 drivers... For all intent and purposes, we are on our own.
Yeah, we know... but anyway my BFV Xids are "now" gone... (hopefully for ever!)
seems like a "apt-get dist-upgrade" can actually move mountains...
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