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Old 04-19-05, 08:09 PM   #13
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On this topic, I've heard a lot of the argument that "NVidia are not obligated to provide any support for the Linux platform" which is technically true, but it's also technically true of MS Windows as well. Yet they do support [MS Windows] and provide (mostly) decent drivers, rather than the recent drivel we've been given.

I concede that NVIDIA have no legal obligation to provide software support, though I am no lawyer and this may be moot. However, my feeling is that to withhold the information necessary for a second-party to provide said support, and moreover, pursuing with legal measures like NDAs, DMCAs, patents, copyrights, and other assorted IP bull$#!t those who yet attempt so to do, constitutes an agreement that they are going to provide adequate, competent support themselves.

To argue otherwise is to admit that they have affected a gross abuse of the legal system which is in place to protect CONSUMERS, not corporations. You can't have it both ways. Either support the platform yourself if you're going to, or open it up. Quite simple.

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Old 04-20-05, 05:12 AM   #14
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There is one thing that i don't understand.
I won't ask for opensource drivers (as they are a very complex
part of code and NVidida has all the right to keep it closed).
I don't understand what are the problems in releasing just the specs
of a very programmable card such as GF6.
Since it is so programmable, i guess most of the technology of the
OpenGL driver is in the driver, isn't it?
I would be happy if any NVidia people could enlighten me about this
question. Thanks.

BTW, i will continue to buy NVidia while still providing so good (even
closed) linux drivers. Thanks to NVidia people and keep up the good
work!
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Old 04-20-05, 05:50 AM   #15
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BTW, i will continue to buy NVidia while still providing so good (even
closed) linux drivers. Thanks to NVidia people and keep up the good
work!
We'll, you're in luck.
Sadly enough, I (and others here) are not.
I'd gladly settle for a *working* closed source drivers; However, having fully closed drivers that crash doesn't help much, isn't it?

Funny thing is, I'm currently blocking a purchase for a large number of nVidia-Quadro based HP dual Opteron workstations until I know, for certain, that the nVidia drivers are stable.
Call me stupid, but spending 100,000$ on hardware that may crash every 30 seconds could be considered a career-shifting decision...

Again, I'm not asking for full open-source driver; I'm asking nVidia to release *bigger* chunks of their code and ease debugging by the user-base.

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Old 04-23-05, 12:47 PM   #16
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No issue for 2d the nv driver is opensource and maintained by nvidia it works well.
It does not work well -- it can not drive the second monitor on dual-output cards.

What's your excuse for not reading from the beginning of the thread before replying?
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Old 04-25-05, 05:07 PM   #17
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It does not work well -- it can not drive the second monitor on dual-output cards.

What's your excuse for not reading from the beginning of the thread before replying?
It its just a matter of the definition of "work well"...
i for example will not care about this as i have only one monitor, and i guess this is true
for much people.

whats more frustrating is that the nv driver has no proper xv support (at least the last time
i tested it). but still a question of the definition of "work well", if your cpu is fast enough
to do rescaling and YUV => RGB conversion in Software without framedrop, it still would
"work well".
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Old 04-25-05, 06:03 PM   #18
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Works well:

1. Stable
2. Compatible
3. Featureful

Don't be ridiculous. The nv driver does not work well. It doesn't support xv, xrandr, multihead, or 3D (which alone is like 3/4 of the reason to own an NVidia card, otherwise I'd just buy a Matrox). At least it is stable and compatible, unlike nvidia.ko.

From my definition of "works well", N.B. the omission of:

4. D00d Cr4Zy l33t d00m3 fPs oPt1MiZeD!11!11!

Which is something nobody important cares about. All that is really needed is for HW openGL to work. It doesn't have to work particularly fast. This satisfies the following:

1. Acceleration of next-gen desktops
2. CAD and 3D modelling apps
3. GL accelerated video (many apps can use this)
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Old 05-03-05, 04:57 PM   #19
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Does anyone at nvidia even read these to see that there are people unhappy with the current situation? or are they too busy with other "things."
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Would you even consider buying a CPU where you have limited access to it's GP registers and/or no GP register documentation? Why should nVidia and ATI be treated otherwise?
BTW, I also like that analogy.
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Old 05-04-05, 03:01 AM   #20
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The only active nVidia developer here is Zander; However, he's very quiet lately, so I can't really tell if he's listening in.

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