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Old 05-19-05, 12:11 AM   #85
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I know that the cell processor is 64-bit, is the xbox cpu 64-bit? Could make a difference considering all the fuss that 64-bit gaming is making lately (Far Cry)
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Old 05-19-05, 12:30 AM   #86
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I just want to say once again - we don't really know what either console will be like in terms of real world in your lounge performance. The one thing we DO know is that if (and it's a big if) the tech demos we've seen so far for both XBOX 360 and PS3 are accurate to what in game appearance (fps performance aside) will actually be like (whether or not they're actually pre-rendered), it looks like the PS3 will be a bit nicer (in my opinion).

The thing is though that these are all HUGE 'ifs'. Until we see both actual consoles in action and competition, we really won't know which one (if either) is the most powerful in terms of in game real world performance. Still.. I think the thing the PS3 people are saying has some validity. If that Killzone trailer is what we can expect in-game (and considering the comments of the devs, I think it would be presumptuous to assume it's not), then the PS3 has a real ace in the hole. As other's have rightly said, it is pre-rendered, so the game may not look like that - but for now, we have no reason to believe that they'd lie, aside from our own incredulity. If you see what I mean.
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Old 05-19-05, 05:05 AM   #87
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The graphics advantage PS3 will have over Xbox360 will imo be like Xbox has over PS2.

It's just a bit tough to get a 'feel' for how much better that is with the new standard in realtime graphics. The margins will become clear with time.
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Old 05-19-05, 07:08 AM   #88
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The graphics advantage PS3 will have over Xbox360 will imo be like Xbox has over PS2.

It's just a bit tough to get a 'feel' for how much better that is with the new standard in realtime graphics. The margins will become clear with time.
That easy to work out, Xbox 360 has 1 TFLOP, all 3 3.2GHz PowerPC CPUs performed total of 115 GFLOPs and then take that away from 1 TFLOP will give R500 GPU performed 885 GFLOPs. Playstation 3 has 2.1 TFLOP, the Cell performed 218 GFLOPs and that leave Nvidia RSX incredible 1.8 TFLOPs or 1882 GFLOPs. RSX is more than twice faster than R500 in floating point power.
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Old 05-19-05, 07:15 AM   #89
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AthlonXP1800 : Hahaha thats so funny...lets all listen to the Sony bull****
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Old 05-19-05, 09:04 AM   #90
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Think logically, of cause it was not rendered realtime from PS3 hardware, thats simply impossible from this stage. Remember, the PS3 hardware is too on the alpha-stage, but Sony just chose to view most of their demonstrations as pre-rendered, while MS chose to show ingame footage all the way. There's no right or wrong method, because Sony only shows what is to be expected from the PS3 at the time of arrival. But notice that this also means, that the movies and screenshots from Xbox360 does not represent anything like the graphics we're gonna see when it's done. It's hardware and dev-kit is also just in the alpha-phase and we have only seen this, not predictions.

"Just saw Peter Moore speak on CNBC saying every 360 game at E3 is running on Alpha kits. Not sure if he meant the dev kits or the actual hardware. but the actual games are playable, unlike sony's tech demos that ran off high-powered PC's. (yeah, he took a shot at sony....which i thought was funny.) he also stated, once the beta kits and then the final kits come in... you will see the true power of 360."

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"The best way to look at it is that, well it depends on which functions you're looking at, but in aggregate it's probably 30-40% of what the final product can do."
Rest of the mini-intervew at:
[url]http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1817028,00.asp[url]

Besides from that, I just know it secondhand from some fellas, one of my friends know, who are at E3 right now...


All I'm saying is just that it's still way too early to say anything about which machine will be most powerful.. But surely, none of them will "own" the other.
It's real-time. But I don't think it's running on the PS3. That would just be

http://users.coditel.net/COD11731/kill.wmv

http://users.coditel.net/COD11731/teleport.wmv

Too many bugs and glitches for it to be pre-rendered. The resolution of the ground textures is also too low for it to be pre-rendered.
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Just saw that Sony conference from IGN and im sure PS3 will blow everything out of its water its amazing how powerful the machine will be its crazy MS has already lost the race and ever forum ive been too PS3 Wins with easy on polls
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It's not like ps3 dev kits are horribley underpowered compared to the console which is a year away. Secondly, just becuase it wasn't run on PS3 hardware doesn't make it pre-rendered, seems like you don't know the difference between pre-rendered and real-time.

Methinks you're an Xbox fanboy who is performing damage control. Get over it, the PS3 will be the more powerful unit. The question is can devs put that power to good use.
Hey, you're the one here with "Hating XBox 360/MTV" at your profile name
I'm not excluding the possibility that it was rendered in realtime, that's not what I meant at least (I know, I've been repeating myself for some time now), I'm just saying that it sure as hell was not PS3, and that makes the presentation uncompareable to Xobx360's realtime videos.
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Hey, you're the one here with "Hating XBox 360/MTV" at your profile name
I'm not excluding the possibility that it was rendered in realtime, that's not what I meant at least (I know, I've been repeating myself for some time now), I'm just saying that it sure as hell was not PS3, and that makes the presentation uncompareable to Xobx360's realtime videos.
And how do you know they were real-time? :P You can't be sure until you've played a game yourself.
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Just saw that Sony conference from IGN and im sure PS3 will blow everything out of its water its amazing how powerful the machine will be its crazy MS has already lost the race and ever forum ive been too PS3 Wins with easy on polls
1. The specs are not final

2. It's still too early to tell. Xbox360 is more better in some areas of it's hareware and vice verca.

3. The poll doesn't really surprise me that much. For one, this is a Nvidia-fansite after all, so when people see movies/screens from the two consoles, and some PS3 games immediately looks better, it doesn't take long for us to reach the conclussion that PS3 will own Xbox360 graphicswise, ignoring the fact that we tend to compare rendered games on powerful computers vs. ingame on the Xbox360 alpha-state.

We just still don't know which console will be most powerful. I'm just rationally leaving possibilites open...
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And how do you know they were real-time? :P You can't be sure until you've played a game yourself.
How do you know that the earth cirkles the sun and not the opposite?

Just kidding, I'm just taking Microsofts word for it, and seeing that it also makes sense in the current alpha-state Xbox360's harware and devkit is at right now, just as I'm taking the creators of Killzone 2's word for it when they say it was rendered on powerful computers, not PS3 hardware (which is also impossible, since it's not done yet..)
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hum...xbox 360 is going to be on sale this december and they are still running on pre alpa-hardware ??!!! it will take 2-3 months of testing time and manufacturing. ms has only like 6 months to do everything - port the os to power pc architecture, directx 10, games...what I think is the xbox 360 hardware is very close to what they showed or xbox 360 is going to be delayed.


sony still has a year !!

bill gates already said that halo 3 is going to be released around ps3 launch....so basically halo 3 is NOT a launch title ??? what i know is xbox sold coz of halo. and NO halo 3 ...LOLOMG!@!@!!!

Listen guys PS3 is using nvidia chip. I am sure many developers are familiar with OpenGL than ps2 ybasic (or whatever it was called). This time PS3 is going to be much easier to program. That is because sony is using one of the most common graphics language - OpenGL.

Sony has a lot of +ve things on their side this time - better hardware, easy to program, blue-ray, games.

There is hardly anything that M$ can do now. These things cant change so fast. Remmember how nvidia was stuck with NV30 for 2 years !! They knew it sucked but they were hardly able to do anything in 6 months. It took almost 2 years to get the things right.

Plus sony is going to use cell in tv, graphics workstation...they ARE going to make a lot of money out of it. Just imagine a 100 cell based workstation - it will freaking own in design studios and movie rendering !!!
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