4 different A64 3500+ (939)?

wrugoin · 07-26-05, 08:54 PM

I'm starting to research for my next big computer upgrade and I'm deadset on sticking with AMD. For the longest time, I thought the only difference in A64s were that at first they came out in Socket 754, and then repaced by the better Socket 939 version. Now I find that within the 939 version there's at least 4 different "Code name" models. From Anandtech's July 2005 64bit CPU pricing:

AMD Athlon 64 (939) 3500+ 512KB Hammer
AMD Athlon 64 (939) 3500+ 512KB Newcastle
AMD Athlon 64 (939) 3500+ 512KB Venice
AMD Athlon 64 (939) 3500+ 512KB Winchester

I've deleted the prices and vendors....

Now I find 4 different versions of the 3500+ (939). Can someone explain to me the difference? Any and all help is appreciated. Thanks

Rytr · 07-26-05, 10:04 PM

One difference is the Hammer and Newcastle are on the 130nm process and the Winchester and Venice are on the 90nm.

rewt · 07-26-05, 10:11 PM

The Venice core has improved memory controller and supports new instruction sets like SSE3. Oh and BTW don't waste your money on the 3500+, as the 3000+ can easily surpass it (when overclocked).

jAkUp · 07-26-05, 10:12 PM

Get the venice

rewt · 07-26-05, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Oh and BTW don't waste your money on the 3500+, as the 3000+ can easily surpass it (when overclocked).

Unless you're like jAkUp and have lots of money to burn

If you don't plan on overclocking then get the 3500+. From reviews I've read they both overclock about the same.

Riptide · 07-26-05, 10:27 PM

The 3000+ is not a sure bet for surpassing a 3500+. I had one that didn't make it over 2.0GHz. It's a risk to assume that it will overclock well.

Get the venice.

Q · 07-26-05, 10:35 PM

If you're doing 939 why don't you just hold off a little bit and wait for dual core to come down or for you to save some cash up. To spend a good chunk of cash now when in a few months you can get something much better wouldn't be the best use of the money. In your sig I see a Barton 3200. There isn't going to be THAT big of a difference with the upgrade.

If your set on getting that 3500 now...go Venice. However, if I were you I'd just set on that cash for a little longer and get a dual core later.

After looking at your specs again...I see that you're probably going to have to upgrade your video card too if your going PCI-E. If you're doing a whole system revamp I see why you would want a less costly processor.

Venice. =D

superklye · 07-26-05, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Qlitchford

If you're doing 939 why don't you just hold off a little bit and wait for dual core to come down or for you to save some cash up. To spend a good chunk of cash now when in a few months you can get something much better wouldn't be the best use of the money. In your sig I see a Barton 3200. There isn't going to be THAT big of a difference with the upgrade.

If your set on getting that 3500 now...go Venice. However, if I were you I'd just set on that cash for a little longer and get a dual core later.

After looking at your specs again...I see that you're probably going to have to upgrade your video card too if your going PCI-E. If you're doing a whole system revamp I see why you would want a less costly processor.

Venice. =D

Meh...$146 for a Venice 3000+ isn't a big chunk of change. I say do it. I'm probably going to.

Banko · 07-26-05, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by superklye

Meh...$146 for a Venice 3000+ isn't a big chunk of change. I say do it. I'm probably going to.

Actually on ewiz.com you can get a 3000+ Venice for $120. A month ago it was $117 shipped (where I got mine)

rewt · 07-27-05, 02:01 AM

Thats OEM and probably doesn't include the HSF. According to resellerratings.com, ewiz.com's returns/replacements are not nearly as good as newegg's.

macatak · 07-27-05, 03:52 AM

According to this chart there are five different 3500+ CPUs
http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/Default.aspx
PIC

superklye · 07-27-05, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rewt

Thats OEM and probably doesn't include the HSF. According to resellerratings.com, ewiz.com's returns/replacements are not nearly as good as newegg's.

Yeah, while NewEgg is often overpriced, I'll gladly take the extra money for the assurance that they have an awesome RMA process, they are easy to deal with, and they ship FAST.

07-26-05, 08:54 PM	#1
wrugoin Smugzilla Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 157	4 different A64 3500+ (939)? I'm starting to research for my next big computer upgrade and I'm deadset on sticking with AMD. For the longest time, I thought the only difference in A64s were that at first they came out in Socket 754, and then repaced by the better Socket 939 version. Now I find that within the 939 version there's at least 4 different "Code name" models. From Anandtech's July 2005 64bit CPU pricing: AMD Athlon 64 (939) 3500+ 512KB Hammer AMD Athlon 64 (939) 3500+ 512KB Newcastle AMD Athlon 64 (939) 3500+ 512KB Venice AMD Athlon 64 (939) 3500+ 512KB Winchester I've deleted the prices and vendors.... Now I find 4 different versions of the 3500+ (939). Can someone explain to me the difference? Any and all help is appreciated. Thanks __________________ Mobo: Gigabyte X58 Power Supply: Corsair 750w CPU: Intel i7 Core 920 @ 3.2GHz Memory: 6GB Patriot Viper Video: GTX 570 @ Stock Speeds SSD/HDD: OCZ Agility3 240G, WD750G Black & WD 2T Green Optical:ASUS 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe, Pioneer 16X Slot DVD Sound: Soundblaster X-Fi Xtreme Music, Display1: Dell 2405 PFW 24" Flatscreen Display2: Samsung 940bx 19" Flatscreen Input: Razer Copperhead - Saitek Eclipse OS: Windows 7 Ultimate

07-26-05, 10:04 PM	#2
Rytr SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: River City Posts: 1,726	Re: 4 different A64 3500+ (939)? One difference is the Hammer and Newcastle are on the 130nm process and the Winchester and Venice are on the 90nm.

07-26-05, 10:11 PM	#3
rewt mmm, Beer.. :drooling: Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA Posts: 3,667	Re: 4 different A64 3500+ (939)? The Venice core has improved memory controller and supports new instruction sets like SSE3. Oh and BTW don't waste your money on the 3500+, as the 3000+ can easily surpass it (when overclocked). __________________ My pimp'n rig Athlon64 Venice 3000+ @ 2.6GHz (4100+) · Win XP Pro x86, Vista Ultimate x64 · eVGA K8-NF41 nForce4 SLi · Corsair XMS 1.5GB PC3200 CAS2/1T · eVGA 2x 6600GT SLi · Leadtek Winfast TV2000 XP Deluxe · Western Digital Caviar SE ½TB RAID 0/1 · PowerLink LPK2-30 400W · LiteON LDW-411S OC to 811S 8x DVD±R/RW/ROM · MicroAdvantage 64MB QuickiDrive · Samsung SyncMaster 931B 19" LCD · Microsoft Optical Wheel Mouse USB · Sony PSXtoUSB Analog Gamepads · Memorex MX2700 Multimedia Keyboard · Lexmark 3200 Color Jetprinter · nForce Network Controller 1Gb/s LAN (Cable ~3Mb/s down) · ΩPioneer Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound

07-26-05, 10:12 PM	#4
jAkUp eat. sleep. overclock. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chino, California Posts: 17,744	Re: 4 different A64 3500+ (939)? Get the venice __________________ 965xe \|\| evga x58 classified \|\| 3x evga gtx 480 \|\| 6gb g.skill \|\| win7 x64

07-26-05, 10:27 PM	#6
Riptide Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Billings, MT Posts: 8,303	Re: 4 different A64 3500+ (939)? The 3000+ is not a sure bet for surpassing a 3500+. I had one that didn't make it over 2.0GHz. It's a risk to assume that it will overclock well. Get the venice.

07-26-05, 10:35 PM	#7
Q Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 7,795	Re: 4 different A64 3500+ (939)? If you're doing 939 why don't you just hold off a little bit and wait for dual core to come down or for you to save some cash up. To spend a good chunk of cash now when in a few months you can get something much better wouldn't be the best use of the money. In your sig I see a Barton 3200. There isn't going to be THAT big of a difference with the upgrade. If your set on getting that 3500 now...go Venice. However, if I were you I'd just set on that cash for a little longer and get a dual core later. After looking at your specs again...I see that you're probably going to have to upgrade your video card too if your going PCI-E. If you're doing a whole system revamp I see why you would want a less costly processor. Venice. =D

07-27-05, 02:01 AM	#10
rewt mmm, Beer.. :drooling: Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA Posts: 3,667	Re: 4 different A64 3500+ (939)? Thats OEM and probably doesn't include the HSF. According to resellerratings.com, ewiz.com's returns/replacements are not nearly as good as newegg's. __________________ My pimp'n rig Athlon64 Venice 3000+ @ 2.6GHz (4100+) · Win XP Pro x86, Vista Ultimate x64 · eVGA K8-NF41 nForce4 SLi · Corsair XMS 1.5GB PC3200 CAS2/1T · eVGA 2x 6600GT SLi · Leadtek Winfast TV2000 XP Deluxe · Western Digital Caviar SE ½TB RAID 0/1 · PowerLink LPK2-30 400W · LiteON LDW-411S OC to 811S 8x DVD±R/RW/ROM · MicroAdvantage 64MB QuickiDrive · Samsung SyncMaster 931B 19" LCD · Microsoft Optical Wheel Mouse USB · Sony PSXtoUSB Analog Gamepads · Memorex MX2700 Multimedia Keyboard · Lexmark 3200 Color Jetprinter · nForce Network Controller 1Gb/s LAN (Cable ~3Mb/s down) · ΩPioneer Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound

07-27-05, 03:52 AM	#11
macatak Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: QLD Australia Posts: 1,349	Re: 4 different A64 3500+ (939)? According to this chart there are five different 3500+ CPUs http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/Default.aspx PIC __________________ WinXP Home Edition SP2/Athlon 3500+Newcastle/MSI K8N Diamond/BFG7800GTX OC/Antec 550TrueControl 2.0/1GIG DDR400Kingmax/Acer AL2016W LCD/SB Live!/Audigy2 ZS