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Old 07-30-05, 09:38 PM   #1
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Default San Diego 4000+ or Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 90 nm?

Cant decide.
The 4200+ dual is not that much more, but will it be like in the intel dual cores where the 4200+ dual will be slower than the 4000+ SD single?

The system will honestly be used mostly for gaming but I do have a tendency to leave alot of crap running and toy in photoshop and dvd burning and whatnot.


Edit: now that I have seen a few benchmarks it looks like the 4000+ is about 8-10 better in every gaming situation but the benches are a bit old.
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Old 07-30-05, 09:41 PM   #2
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Default Re: San Diego 4000+ or Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 90 nm?

I'm having a similar problem, I don't know if I should get a X2 4400-4600 or a FX55 San Diego. I will mostly be gaming but at the same time I'm scared that X2 might be much better for the future, like Vista and stuff and getting an FX will only be good in the short-run. Anyone can help me decide?
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Old 07-30-05, 09:42 PM   #3
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Default Re: San Diego 4000+ or Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 90 nm?

The single core is better for gaming, next year games will start taking advantage of mutliple cores on a CPU, that is when you will see dual core CPU's outperforming single core cpus in gaming. If you don't have the intention of upgrading in the near future, I would recommend a dual core.
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Old 07-30-05, 09:49 PM   #4
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jackup, what about which dual-core is best to get? I heard that as far as the best performance to cost ratio its the 4400. Money isn't a huge issue, I just don't want to waste money on a not worthy performance upgrade. Which would you recommend to get?
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Old 07-30-05, 10:24 PM   #5
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Default Re: San Diego 4000+ or Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 90 nm?

jAkUp nailed it, dont expect to see a big difference in games that dont support dual core, if what u have now is too slow for you and money isnt a problem then go for the 4400. great alround cpu.
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Old 07-30-05, 11:22 PM   #6
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Default Re: San Diego 4000+ or Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 90 nm?

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jackup, what about which dual-core is best to get? I heard that as far as the best performance to cost ratio its the 4400. Money isn't a huge issue, I just don't want to waste money on a not worthy performance upgrade. Which would you recommend to get?
The 4400 and 4800 have the advantage of the 1MB L2 caches. You will see that the 4400+ is usually the only one with supply issues with the e-tailers and rightfully so.
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Old 07-31-05, 12:30 AM   #7
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get the Dual Cores, they may not get the best performance right away, but as long as they cut it good for now, and are better within the next year, it's more cost efficient to get the Dual core now, instead of getting a single core, and having to upgrade again within the next year
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Default Re: San Diego 4000+ or Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 90 nm?

I have serious reservations about games being able to effectively utilize multi-core architectures in the near future (1-2 years). Of course, the X2 would give you a significant benefit in day-to-day multitasking and other throughput-based and multithreaded tasks. But if gaming is your primary concern, then by the time you have game engines that can take advantage of multi-cores, you'll have faster CPUs, and more importantly, far more bandwidth and advanced interconnection networks between the CPU(s) and memory/IO.

Of course, the X2 shouldn't be *that* much slower than the FX, so if I were you I would probably go for the X2 simply because of its versatility.
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I have serious reservations about games being able to effectively utilize multi-core architectures in the near future (1-2 years). Of course, the X2 would give you a significant benefit in day-to-day multitasking and other throughput-based and multithreaded tasks. But if gaming is your primary concern, then by the time you have game engines that can take advantage of multi-cores, you'll have faster CPUs, and more importantly, far more bandwidth and advanced interconnection networks between the CPU(s) and memory/IO.

Of course, the X2 shouldn't be *that* much slower than the FX, so if I were you I would probably go for the X2 simply because of its versatility.
If NVIDIA releases the rumored and hinted multi-threaded driver, all games will take advantage of the extra core. In shader and geometry limited situations, the new driver will push calculations to the second "idling" core. The head honcho at software development, Ben DeWaal hinted towards a 5-30% gain in performance for games that do not get updated or built around multi-core architectures.
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Default Re: San Diego 4000+ or Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 90 nm?

That's interesting... thanks for the info. I still have my reservations, though
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That's interesting... thanks for the info. I still have my reservations, though
Honestly, I will sacrifice the maximum FPS for how this system runs with the dual core. It is so hard to quantify the effect of the dual core on the OS and every task you ask it to perform. Saying the system runs smooth does not do it justice. Little things like installing software with out hogging resources or gaming while ripping music or video. It changes how you use the computer on the same level as broadband internet.

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Default Re: San Diego 4000+ or Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 90 nm?

I will be in the same boat in a couple of months when I build a new system as well. Caught between going for the fx55-57 or the X24400-4800. I am leaning toward the X2 dual core cpu setup for more future proof gaming. However can anyone point us a link to current benchies showing how these 4 procs go head to head in current games? I mean I know for now the Fx57 will beat an X2 4800, but by how much?

I also was thinking of waiting on the new socket M cpu's to come out from AMD, since I think I read they will replace all socket 939. I figure if I wait for the socket M MB's and cpu's to launch I can have a longer shelf life out of my next MB purchase and thus can upgrade to a faster cpu say 12 minths after my next upgrade. Thoughts?
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