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Old 01-08-03, 02:58 AM   #13
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i am almost assured that .wma cannot even match .mp3
Uhm, I think it surpasses it. I have 1 MP3 and 1 WMV of the same song. Both high quality, WMV sounds a notch better.
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Old 01-08-03, 03:04 AM   #14
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i think that's a general compression problem.

but what quality were the oggs encoded in? that could factor in too.
I don't know what the ogg encoding quality was, the game is Operation Flashpoint: Resistance and the sound track is awesome, from a group called 7th I think.

On WMA, I havn't used it much at all, but don't pre-knock WMA and WMV just because they are from MickeySoft, they are not bad standards for quality and compression. Search the net for professional quality studies, or get a group of 100 friends blind folded to tell you which one sounds best.
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Old 01-08-03, 03:19 AM   #15
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Well i figure since microsoft is creeping in the drm that wmv is all but shot as a decent method. Mp3 already requires fees and liscences now as well. Ogg is open sourced and freely available.

That and when sharing on the donkey or kazaa how many people actually think to download ogg files? Saves me a whole buncha bandwidth
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Old 01-08-03, 06:52 AM   #16
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On WMA, I havn't used it much at all, but don't pre-knock WMA and WMV just because they are from MickeySoft, they are not bad standards for quality and compression. Search the net for professional quality studies, or get a group of 100 friends blind folded to tell you which one sounds best.
indeed. i base my comments on such audio tests.

i'm pretty sure i saw several evaluations on WMA9 and it still couldn't compare with MP3.

i know for a fact that WMA8 doesn't, based on listening tests, etc.

the thing about WMA is that it was originally made for lowbit rates. so for <128kbps WMA sounded better than MP3. but at higher bitrates(including 128 in most tests) MP3 won out.

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Mp3 already requires fees and liscences now as well.
only the Franhoufer or however you spell it. use LAME. it's open source.

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Uhm, I think it surpasses it. I have 1 MP3 and 1 WMV of the same song. Both high quality, WMV sounds a notch better.
you're going to have to be more specific. did you encode the songs yourself? what bitrate songs are you comparing? many songs found on filesharing programs are poorly encoded. what mp3 encoder was used? LAME VBR is by far the best for quality AND size.
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I don't know, I always found wma beats mp3 at the same bitrates. especially at/after v8

However, I don't USE those bitrates. I use the VBR or the lossless codecs on v9. And I can barely tell the difference between them and the CDs
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Old 01-10-03, 12:07 AM   #18
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I never heard something bad in a 192Kbps mp3...
If you hear a mp3, can you distinguish if it's 192Kbps, 320kbps, Ogg or CD??
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you're going to have to be more specific. did you encode the songs yourself? what bitrate songs are you comparing? many songs found on filesharing programs are poorly encoded. what mp3 encoder was used? LAME VBR is by far the best for quality AND size."

Done it myself of a cd. Both have same bitrate/quality level of settings.
128kbps 16bit stereo.
Same file was ripped of the cd twice. One in MP3 the other WMA.
Don't know know what MP3 encoder was used. It was a good one though.
It was the song Eyes on Me form the FF8 cd3. It was a while ago.
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[BDon't know know what MP3 encoder was used. It was a good one though. [/b]
i laugh at that statement
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Does kiler's rep for low res also lead us to the low bitrate theory as well????
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I rarely download music now, when I do its always some rather obscure group. The copys I get are 160 I believe and always sound pretty good

Personally I rip all my music at 320
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i laugh at that statement
Me too, as I don't know WTF I am talking about.

Well normally I encode MP3's with some freeware program I can find.
My MP3's are usually high quality.

Yes, my low res theory works also for sound etc...
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Using CDex with a SBLive Plat 5.1, Sennheiser HD570s, and Winamp 3, I find that the CDs I rip myself always sound better as quality 8 Oggs than in 320kbps MP3s.

And I don't share these, so quality is all that matters.
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