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Old 03-05-04, 12:05 PM   #1
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How about a driver for NetBSD? I'd really appreciate that.

Is there anyone running the FreeBSD drivers on NetBSD?
And if this is possible, could you give me a link to a howto?
I also used the forums search function but no real results for NetBSD.
X without 3D Acceleration sucks.


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Old 03-07-04, 01:19 PM   #2
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NO statements?
Noone else wishing to get into the pleasures of having a NVIDIA driver for NetBSD? :\
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Old 03-11-04, 03:26 PM   #3
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I found this: http://cubidou.nerim.net/. It looks outdated. Maybe something newer exists in packages (or ports?) on NetBSD.
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Old 03-12-04, 04:02 PM   #4
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Well when nVidia has officialy support (obsolete) for FreeBSD only, then I guess no. It`s shame, `cose *BSDs are such a great systems, but then the kernels of Free/Net/OpenBSD are slightly diferent. Anyhow nv should realise that the more OS they support the better for them. Brings more customers. Friend of mine just both nvidia quadro and it just doesn`t work under BSD!!! (with GLX ofcourse) So he runs blender at slackware Linux and works at FreeBSD. Same my case with FX-5200. Solution: either use old hw or don`t use acceleration.

NVIDIA *BSD USERS ARE HUNGRY !!!!!!! IT`S LOVELY THAT YOU SO NICELY SUPPORT LINUX, BUT THERE ARE OTHER *NIXS ASWELL.
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Old 06-22-05, 12:18 PM   #5
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A petition should be organized for NVIDIA 3D drivers for NetBSD, I'll see what I can do.
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Old 06-23-05, 12:37 PM   #6
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Well - think like nVidia. How many users do use NetBSD?
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Old 06-25-05, 04:22 PM   #7
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Well, one way or another, 3D will find its way into NetBSD

Tonnerre's project: porting DRI to NetBSD
http://users.thundrix.ch/~tonnerre/k...rendering.html

Discussion about it at the NetBSD tech-kern mailing list
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.os.net...l.kernel/14915

DRI supported hardware status:
http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Stat...tegoryHardware

And what can be done with NVIDIA hardware:
http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/nVid...tegoryHardware

"UtahGLX also has basic support for nVidia Riva / TNT / GeForce for XFree86 3.3 and 4.0. Someone should port this to DRI."

So if someone ports UtahGLX NVIDIA support to DRI while Michael and Tonnerre port DRI to NetBSD, we're done

But if UtahGLX support gets ported to DRI then all other OSes will benefit, and the new DRI driver will be improved to a point we won't need NVIDIA closed-source drivers anymore. Open-source motivation can make wonders, remember Gnome was born because of the former QT license (QT is the main widget library of KDE, it's GPL now).

If it doesn't get ported, well, DRI found it's way into NetBSD anyway, and NetBSD users will look for ATI instead of NVIDIA

Right now there are NetBSD users who dual-boot into another OS just to get NVIDIA 3D support. If ATI gets supported through DRI I'm sure they'll rather upgrade to ATI than to dual-boot just for 3D.

So, NVIDIA, if you want to release a driver for NetBSD, you better do it now, before an open-source driver appears or NetBSD users start looking for ATI for every platform that supports PCI and AGP.

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Old 06-25-05, 05:10 PM   #8
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I am not against NetBSD but I think it wont hurt nVidia if NetBSD users use ATI...

Are there any native OpenGL games for NetBSD?
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Old 06-25-05, 05:26 PM   #9
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It seems we can already have 3D under NetBSD using NVIDIA!

http://utah-glx.sourceforge.net/faq.html#AEN349
"We've had reports of the driver working on alpha, ppc, and the x86 family of processors. It should be workable on any unix-like environment that runs XFree86."

It's slower than DRI but it doesn't depend on the OS, just X.

http://utah-glx.sourceforge.net/

http://www.freebsdforums.org/forums/...highlight=utah

"I just tested the linux quake 3 binary under NetBSD on a PII-400. It's running at ~40 fps in 1024x768x16."

It's more compatible, but slower:

http://utah-glx.sourceforge.net/faq.html#AEN9
"[...]the DRI modules only support hardware acceleration for "direct" clients, whereas Utah-GLX only has "indirect" client support. On the one hand, this means that Utah-GLX is slower. But on the bright side, this means it is more compatible."

http://www.freebsdforums.org/forums/...h&pagenumber=2

"I have a Geforce DDR in my old system and I get about 25 FPS in Q3 with Utah GLX. On my new box, I have a G450 with DRI and can pull 40 FPS. DRI is cool :-) "


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Old 06-25-05, 05:50 PM   #10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LubosD
I am not against NetBSD but I think it wont hurt nVidia if NetBSD users use ATI...

Are there any native OpenGL games for NetBSD?
With Linux emulation NetBSD can be as gaming-capable as FreeBSD in terms of popular closed-source games.

http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/compat.html
http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi...NetBSD-current

As for open-source games, can look here for already available packages, and I'm sure this list will increase when DRI is available:

ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/pack...es/README.html

pkgsrc is an incredible package manager, supported in all NetBSD architectures but also in other OSes :

http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/#in-tree-ports
http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/...html#platforms


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Old 06-25-05, 06:12 PM   #11
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Hi,
please be patient with nvidia.

It does hardly be profitable to spport the few nvidia-users (and without some big costumers demanding drivers there would be none for linux too), and netbsd is even a smaller basis...

maybe as soon as netbsd is used by some hollywood studios...
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Old 06-25-05, 06:40 PM   #12
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Hi,
please be patient with nvidia.

It does hardly be profitable to spport the few nvidia-users (and without some big costumers demanding drivers there would be none for linux too), and netbsd is even a smaller basis...

maybe as soon as netbsd is used by some hollywood studios...
NetBSD has even better potential for embedded. Think about game consoles.
The BSD license is friendlier for manufacturers who want to be able to merge code when needed without fearing for their trade secrets.

Playstation Portable license mentions NetBSD code
http://www.scei.co.jp/psp-license/pspnet.txt

Known products based on NetBSD, not updated
http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/products.html

White Paper: Linux or BSD: Which Unix is Best for Embedded Applications?
http://www.wasabisystems.com/pdfs/Linux_or_BSD.pdf

And if you search for "NetBSD code" here:
http://www.feyrer.de/NetBSD/blog.html

you'll find that QNX, Playstation Portable, Novell Groupwise and the PS2 Game "XIII" contain NetBSD code.



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