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Old 10-17-05, 10:50 PM   #1
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Default Laser gaming mice suck (firsthand report).

Bought a Logitech G5. Returning it tomorrow.
The hardware has a built-in negative acceleration and there seems to be no way to get rid of it. Negative acceleration is when the mouse cursor travels more when you move it slower, as opposed to faster but by the same amount. This is simply unacceptable, as it gives a huge inconsistency in aim.
After reading some forums, it seems like it's a general hardware flaw of laser mice with high report rates (500+Hz), which also plagues the Copperhead.
Back to mx518 for me.
Avoid at all costs.
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Old 10-17-05, 11:24 PM   #2
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Default Re: Laser gaming mice suck (firsthand report).

What are you taking about?.....The G5 (and I'm sure its the same for the Copperhead) put the cursor EXACTLY where you move it. Its more percise that anything I've used before it
I'm sorry but you have no basis to say "avoid at all cost". The laser mice have been extensively tested, by people that know how to judge and have been given nothing but praise. Never a mention of the non-sense you are describing.
On the subject of non-sense...I've read this line about 10 times;
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Negative acceleration is when the mouse cursor travels more when you move it slower, as opposed to faster but by the same amount.
and can't for the life of me figure out what you are trying to say.
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Old 10-17-05, 11:29 PM   #3
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What are you taking about?.....The G5 (and I'm sure its the same for the Copperhead) put the cursor EXACTLY where you move it. Its more percise that anything I've used before it
I'm sorry but you have no basis to say "avoid at all cost". The laser mice have been extensively tested, by people that know how to judge and have been given nothing but praise. Never a mention of the non-sense you are describing.
On the subject of non-sense...I've read this line about 10 times; and can't for the life of me figure out what you are trying to say.
http://www.xfire.be/?x=article&mode=item&id=49&nav=1

This is just to explain exactly what I mean.
The fact of the matter is, I have this negative acceleration even in desktop. I tried different mouse and USB drivers, and none helped get rid of it.
The suck.
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Old 10-17-05, 11:44 PM   #4
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Default Re: Laser gaming mice suck (firsthand report).

Who the hell are you to say that???
I'll answer: another mouthy web punk...is who.
Learn to deal with and expect a little criticism, brother. Especially when you feel it necessary to puke out some asinine statement.
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Old 10-17-05, 11:58 PM   #5
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Look friend, it's very simple.

Load up a game.
then put the mouse on the pad touching a solid object fixed in place on the left hand side. Then move the mouse quickly to the right. Bring it back slowly to left until it touches that solid object. Did the crosshair/cursor end up in the same place where it started out?
If it moved further to the left from where you started, you have negative accel. If it didn't quite make it back, it's positive accel. If it ends up in the same place = no accel.
This mouse (G5) has negative accel in hardware.
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Old 10-18-05, 01:27 AM   #6
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Here's a couple more reasons why one shouldn't buy a G5:

1) It has one less button compared to mx518. The web "forward" button. I can't imagine a sinlge reason for them to remove it.
2) The mouse wheel is ridiculously large and stiff compared to mx518's. Oh it's so uncomfortable to press and hold.
3) Even with all the weights and the weight cartridge out, G5 weighs more than the mx518. Not good for those who prefer lighter mice.
4) Teflon pads. Teflon is soft as hell. I can't imagine these pads lasting more than 6 months in heavy use. I hope they sell replacement pads.
5) Sensor position. Mx518 has a sensor placed perfectly in the middle between one's thumb and the ring finger. G5 has the sensor roughly 3/4 of an inch to the side from that perfect position.
6) The molded sides of G5 have a different shape from mx518. The fingers, with which you hold the mouse, are then positioned slightly lower on the G5. Since I was used to the mx518, the mouse seemed quite a bit taller and "in the way" of my hand. One could probably get used to that in a while though.

Gimmicky features of G5:
1) The superior 2000dpi. Well, I couldn't really tell the difference between 2000dpi of G5 and 1600dpi of mx518 with forced 500Hz poll rate. I used to play quake1/2/3 games semi-professionally, and I think I should be able to tell.
2) The superior textured sides for nonslip grip. This is why I bought the mouse in the first place. It didn't seem to offer much better grip than the completely smooth but rubbery grip of mx518. It may be of use to some people though, as this is my opionion only.
3) Adjustable weight cartridge. Most people who mod their mice, try to make them lighter. Would only be usable to those who want to make their mice heavier.
4) Some may call the paint scheme stylish. I call it a step backwards, compared to mx510 and mx518's paint designs.

Nice features of G5:
1) Very nice cord, slightly longer than the mx518's.
2) The same sensitivity regardless of application. Mx518 has a sensitivity problem. It may have different sensitivity under exact same settings depending on whether an app is using directx or direct access to mouse hardware. This can be fixed in quake/doom3 games by adjusting the in_mouse to -1 (or 1, depending on particular game). But not all games support this. So, in some games the mouse ends up quite a bit more sensitive than what you expected, and you need to REALLY lower the sens in game options.
This issue has been completely fixed in G5, or so it seems. And that's nice.
3) Tilt wheel can be nice for those who like to scroll horizontally.
4) Overall precision of the mouse is very nice, aside from the nasty negative acceleration bug.

Overall, considering the price difference, the hardware bug with negative acceleration (maybe fixable in software/firmware updates), and for all the reasons mentioned above, I cannot recommend G5 to anyone at this point in time.
So, stay away.
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Old 10-18-05, 04:49 AM   #7
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Default Re: Laser gaming mice suck (firsthand report).

No negative acceleration problems with my G5
Pointer acceleration is set to "none"
Smart move is unchecked
It has worked flawlessly since I got it.
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Old 10-18-05, 07:18 AM   #8
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Love my G7 wireless laser mouse. Very precise mouse. Best I ever used actually.
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Old 10-18-05, 08:42 AM   #9
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You people think I'm making this **** up?
Geez.
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Old 10-18-05, 08:49 AM   #10
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You people think I'm making this **** up?
Geez.
No, most people just don't agree with you. Your word is not law.
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Old 10-18-05, 08:57 AM   #11
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most people are idiots
lol, I wonder what most people will think of you by the time this thread is over

Its a bloody fantastic mouse, if you don't like it thats what you think..........
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