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Old 10-19-05, 07:18 AM   #1
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Default Where are the Flashlight Shadows?

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that your flashlights in the game don't cast shadows like in Doom3?

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Old 10-19-05, 11:11 AM   #2
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Probably done for performance saving reasons. Shadows cast by your flashlight in doom 3 didn't even look like they were being cast, just projected right in front of you on some invisilbe surface. Your squadmates flashlights cast shadows on the environtment, though. Doesn't bother me at all.
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Old 10-19-05, 11:11 AM   #3
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Default Re: Where are the Flashlight Shadows?

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Probably done for performance saving reasons. Shadows cast by your flashlight in doom 3 didn't even look like they were being cast, just projected right in front of you on some invisilbe surface. Your aquadmates flashlights cast shadows on the environtment, though. Doesn't bother me at all.
Yep, same here. I thought the shadows cast by the flashlight in Doom 3 just looked weird.
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Old 10-19-05, 12:00 PM   #4
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Default Re: Where are the Flashlight Shadows?

Yeah, and if the light is directly in front of you (ie, stuck to your gun while you are aiming) then you wont see a shadow anyway... so cutting it from the game isnt that important.

Remember the whole deal with Doom 3 shadows? People were accusing Carmack of doing completely pointless and stupid things with the shadows simply because they couldnt understand the concept of light being cast from a point close to your view. It might work better in a couple years when games can do realistic projected soft shadows (not soft edges... I mean real soft shadows). For now, this kind of thing isnt needed and looks funny when its there.
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Old 10-19-05, 12:55 PM   #5
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Default Re: Where are the Flashlight Shadows?

Yeah now that I think about it there were a couple of big arguments as to whether or not there were these extra polygons being rendered around the objects to emulate shadows or something. Pretty ridiculous but it just goes to show that the shadows really didn't look very good in the first place.
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Old 10-19-05, 02:34 PM   #6
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Default Re: Where are the Flashlight Shadows?

As far as I know the flashlight still behaves like any other lightsource and casts shadows on the environment. It is difficult to see sometimes because of the angle of the flashlight but I'm pretty sure the shadows are still there. The same goes for your squadmates' lights as well.
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Old 10-19-05, 02:58 PM   #7
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Default Re: Where are the Flashlight Shadows?

It could just be the angle from your view that the lightsource is being emitted. If your eyes are located in almost the same place as the lightsource, then you won't see a shadow. If your flashlight is in your hand though, you'll see the shadow.

I personally noticed the shadows cast by your own flashlight quite well in doom 3, and I thought it was pretty good. Is the flashlight in quake4 helmet mounted or something?
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Old 10-19-05, 04:12 PM   #8
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Default Re: Where are the Flashlight Shadows?

Made the observation about the lack of shadows, but quickly realised it was perspective. One of the Co-op guys was running behind another and cast a shadow, looked cool.

Alpha, the light is attached to the weapon, which is line of site anyway.

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Old 10-19-05, 06:05 PM   #9
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Default Re: Where are the Flashlight Shadows?

Loving Quake 4 so far, can't get any homework done now...but earlier today at work I was in an abandoned steam plant with a flashlight and I experimented with shadows and it looks like Doom 3's shadows were pretty accurate. Anyhoo...tooks some screens and made an animation.

First, an animated GIF


Secondly, Doom 3



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Old 10-19-05, 06:07 PM   #10
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Mystery Solved: turns out the "Ultra" quality setting in Quake 4 does not have the same functionality as it does in Doom 3. Under the Ultra setting, your flashlight, as well as anyone else's, does in fact cast shadows. Now, if only there was a way to have the flashlight cast shadows without having to use Ultra mode (which makes my game hiccup when I open doors)...
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Old 10-19-05, 06:14 PM   #11
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Default Re: Where are the Flashlight Shadows?

Config file setting, but which one? I would guess it's the same as in the doom 3 cfg file.
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I am definately seeing flashlight shadows. I am playing with everything maxed out except AA which is set at 4.
I have not tinkered with the config file.
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