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Old 12-02-05, 04:41 PM   #1
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Lightbulb Nvidia 6800GS AGP arrives next week

Yay! w00t! -- I'm excited, it's what I need!
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NVIDIA is fulfilling its promises and will start shipping its Geforce 6800 GS AGP cards next week. We already reported that Nvidia has a massive shortage of AGP chips and that it can not print enough 6600 based chips and bridge it back with HSI bridge chip. Its time for the new old card.

Unlike the 6800 GS PCIe, the AGP version will be based on good old NV40 chip and it will be native AGP card without any bridges. We still don’t know about the clock speeds but we heavily suspect that it will have the same clocks as its PCIe brother.

The card will start at a similar price - we expect $249 - and you should see some Etailers listing these cards in the next few days.

ATI is happily shipping its X800 and X700 based AGP chips and it's expected that X1600 based AGP cards won't take to long after its PCIe brother. Nvidia still hopes to cash in the Yule AGP shopping madness.
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Old 12-02-05, 05:03 PM   #2
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Excuse me, but that is just nuts.

First of all, you post and link to theinquirer (no less) with such certainty and trust, that few non-naive people even devote to mainstream media like cnn or bbc.

Do you have any doubts? The good old NV40 chip was made by IBM at Fishkill (New York) using 130nm.. IBM is moving away from manufacturing so unlikely they would take more orders(all AGP: 6800, 6800GT and 6800U are all the same die that was made by IBM). The chip used for PCIE 6800 is totally different and a separate die, made by TSMC 110nm, and hence the reason you hear all the PCIE people getting such good overclocks with their 6800's (6800GT and 6800U PCIE are a third die, which ironically, is still 130nm, even though the parts require higher clock).

The announcement of the 6800GS PCIE was very natural, because as I mentioned earlier, most people were getting very good overclocks (440.. even 460Mhz) thanks to the finer manufacturing process, which also allowed to do this without voltage increase and producing relatively little extra heat.

If nVidia does force a 6800GS AGP on the market, we can be sure that it will be small production (not many NV40 chips left), and like 6800GT and 6800U, will require higher voltage than the original 6800 AGP.

And ofcourse whatever benefits the 6800GS gained by using the 7800GT/GTX PCB, will be lost, because that is a PCIE PCB, and nobody is going to go out of their way to design a custom PCB for a few AGP consumers.

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Old 12-03-05, 07:10 AM   #3
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Excuse me, but that is just nuts.

First of all, you post and link to theinquirer (no less) with such certainty and trust, that few non-naive people even devote to mainstream media like cnn or bbc.

Do you have any doubts? The good old NV40 chip was made by IBM at Fishkill (New York) using 130nm.. IBM is moving away from manufacturing so unlikely they would take more orders(all AGP: 6800, 6800GT and 6800U are all the same die that was made by IBM). The chip used for PCIE 6800 is totally different and a separate die, made by TSMC 110nm, and hence the reason you hear all the PCIE people getting such good overclocks with their 6800's (6800GT and 6800U PCIE are a third die, which ironically, is still 130nm, even though the parts require higher clock).

The announcement of the 6800GS PCIE was very natural, because as I mentioned earlier, most people were getting very good overclocks (440.. even 460Mhz) thanks to the finer manufacturing process, which also allowed to do this without voltage increase and producing relatively little extra heat.

If nVidia does force a 6800GS AGP on the market, we can be sure that it will be small production (not many NV40 chips left), and like 6800GT and 6800U, will require higher voltage than the original 6800 AGP.

And ofcourse whatever benefits the 6800GS gained by using the 7800GT/GTX PCB, will be lost, because that is a PCIE PCB, and nobody is going to go out of their way to design a custom PCB for a few AGP consumers.

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Yes one should be very sceptic when reading theinquirer. I also agree that it seems strange that Nvidia will be using the old nv40. Guess thats their only option but it would also mean that they need new chips from IBM, since nv40-chips are a very endangered species. It would also mean the nv40 on 6800GS needs to get higher than Ultra core-clocks which also sounds a little doubtfull.
But theinquirer seems very certain and I dont understand why they would make a thing like this up. And there doesnt seem to be much room for interpretation or speculations. We will know in a few days if they speak the truth

But to me it makes perfect sense to get a new midend AGP-card out. Right now Nvidia has few AGP-cards for the midend/performance market (6800s), while ATI actually has a number of different options available for AGP-users, x800s, and x850. And I suspect there will soon be x1600s for AGP. And Nvidia currently have no midend cards of its new 7series and the 7600 ETA is march next year.

There is still alot of AGP-customers out there, especially midend-users. The latest Steam-survey (although 2 months old) showed that over 70% were using AGP, 20% used 9600 or 9800-cards. There even seems to be some demand for highend cards. Xbitlabs current poll says that 56% of their readers would buy an AGP flavour of the GeForce 7800- or RADEON X1800 for $349 or more.
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Old 12-05-05, 08:04 AM   #4
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Here are a couple of other sites that have linked to this article. Just an FYI.

http://www.hardocp.com/index.html#15980-2

http://www.nforcershq.com/modules.ph...ticle&sid=4803
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Old 12-05-05, 07:10 PM   #5
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I'm going to get 1 and replace my 9800 Pro.
That's in my other computer.
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Old 12-05-05, 11:36 PM   #6
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The 6800GS is looking to be a real good card ,even just haveing 12pipes it is useally faster then the 6800GT.
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Its good to know Nvidia is still putting out some kick ass stuff for AGP users who are not ready to go PCI-E. Im sure this card will be a great upgrade for anyone not willing to dump the cash into a PCI-E system yet who are currently using any line of cards below the 6800's My 6800GT AGP is still going strong so I suspect this will kick ass for sure
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...still waiting for this! Hurry up already!
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Old 12-10-05, 01:57 AM   #9
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Well next week is almost over and no word on the 6800GS AGP. Can't trust theinquirer.net what they say!!
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I saw some webshops over here listing it. None in stock though.
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Well next week is almost over and no word on the 6800GS AGP. Can't trust theinquirer.net what they say!!
You could FS/T what you have and move to an AsRock PCIe mobo with a 3200 venice and keep you're drives etc... I have the PCIe version in my secondary PC (Wife's gaming unit too) and it's an extremely nice little card. But yes, a 6800GS AGP would look to be a very good card for your XP3200 system, and you could also go with the AsRock later and just use the AGP card on it too (another option).
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One webshop in Sweden listing it now. Guess theinquirer were correct.
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