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Old 03-24-06, 01:01 PM   #1
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this article is fascinating. seems intel finally admits that netburst was a POS. i hope they come back with full force. AMD needs some heat under its heels imo

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/13/idf_spring_2006/

the only problem with the presentation is that Intel only brags about performance per watt. that means that although the AMD processors may outperform theirs, if they use more power then the results would show otherwise. thats pretty sneaky imo, but im sure AMD does the same thing. either way, their new lines look promising, as theyre derivatives of the Pentium M.

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Old 03-24-06, 05:51 PM   #2
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Netburst was hardly a POS. My P4 3.2 @ 3.76 performs quite admirably, and when hyperthreading is used correctly, the gains are enormous.
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Old 03-24-06, 09:59 PM   #3
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Netburst was hardly a POS. My P4 3.2 @ 3.76 performs quite admirably, and when hyperthreading is used correctly, the gains are enormous.
the thing is .. you need 3.76Ghz to do what a 2.4 - 2.6Ghz AMD can do
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Old 03-25-06, 03:49 AM   #4
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When a 1.5 GHz P4 Willy, was bested by a mere PIII 1 GHz in benchmark after benchmark; I think the problems with the P4 as first introduced, along with the mistake in having lengthened the execution pipeline with netburst itself is made quite clear. Course, Willy has also been said to have been released, before all the things slated for it's release could have been implemented... Forget AMD for a minute. For a companies newer gen product, to be stomped on performance wise, by their own older generation, running at only 2/3rds the clock of the newer product; shows exactly where this ended up.

People almost expect a newer gen product with a higher clock, to best the companies own older gen product. When it doesn't, it leaves people scratching their heads, as many review sites had done. Now, the P4 did get better with suceeding generations (Northwood, and then the 3.0c and latter); but initially it was a quite bad showing to say "buy our newer higher clocked part", after a long time of advertizing the alleged virtues of clock rate, to then have people's newer comps perform worse then their old

From the outset, Conroe is showing a healthy improvement; and tbh after having stuck with AMD since the Athlon first came out, I'm even thinking of possibly making a switch to Conroe, if I end up deciding to upgrade my system around that time...
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Old 03-25-06, 08:08 PM   #5
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Netburst was hardly a POS. My P4 3.2 @ 3.76 performs quite admirably, and when hyperthreading is used correctly, the gains are enormous.
ill bet on my X2 against your P4 with HT any day....

also, sorry for the lack of specification. i meant they practically said netburst is a POS with regards to power consumption. my bad

EDIT: yes, lack has a k in it...

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Old 03-25-06, 08:50 PM   #6
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Whether or not netburst sucked...WTF did they call it netburst for? Talk about one of the stupidest things you can ever name something that has absolutely nothing to do with networking, let alone the internet like they imply.
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Old 03-25-06, 08:55 PM   #7
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Whether or not netburst sucked...WTF did they call it netburst for? Talk about one of the stupidest things you can ever name something that has absolutely nothing to do with networking, let alone the internet like they imply.
i thought this would be more obvious. al gore invented netburst, and he wanted to call it tipper-burst or lockbox-burst, however they named it netburst after his monumental invention of the internet. DUH!

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ill bet on my X2 against your P4 with HT any day....

also, sorry for the lac of specification. i meant they practically said netburst is a POS with regards to power consumption. my bad
Oh, I certainly don't doubt that your Athlon is quite a bit faster than mine (having dual cores and all ). But this P4 does run everything I want it to quite well
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Old 03-26-06, 10:23 PM   #9
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Although the Pentium 4 is not as fast as a comparable Athlon 64 in gaming, there are other areas that it excels; namely, video encoding. While Netburst had obvious shortcomings, Intel actually took the lead over AMD until the Athlon 64 came along. The Pentium 4 3.0C GHz was beating the Athlon XP 3200+ until AMD unleashed that A64. Now Intel has decided to wrest the performance crown back from its arch-rival. The Conroe will have scalable bus speeds beyond 1333MHz and a 10-14 stage pipeline with the advanced branch-predictors of Netburst. If what we're hearing is true, a lot of AMD gamers will be switching over to Intel this fall. That may be hard for them to swallow with the way they're been trashing Intel.
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Northwood was seriously trashing AthlonXPs at pretty much all speed grade, especially the P4Cs with 865 and 875 chipset. Even in the OC department, AthlonXP's mobile was pretty popular, but so was P4 2.4C and 2.8C.

On the other hand, since the beginning of prescott (when pipeline stage extended from 20 to 31) everything about the P4 was just going down hill.
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Northwoods beating Athlon - XP's. since when my 2600+ ran the exact same as my 2.8 and was twice as cheap. I have always been an Intel fanboy but my last 2 Intel purchases werent by choice. I wish I would have gone to an amd64 instead.
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