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Old 05-05-06, 04:54 AM   #1
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Ok so over the years I have probably had every different piece of hardware. However, I know very little about UPS's. That said, summers coming and I really want to protect my hardware. I need some recomendations for a good reliable UPS. Bear in mind I don't need to run my whole rig if the power goes down for an hour or anything, Just say 10 minutes give or take. Enough time to shut down everything thats running and properly shut down the PC.

I guess I would need it to power my main rig and my LCD. The system in my sig is what I'm looking to protect. I coudl use some help guys.
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Old 05-05-06, 06:38 AM   #2
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upc. we use them at work and i have two at home. the reason i like them is because the batteries are very easy to find and replace. also you can get them cheap used on e-bay.
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Old 05-05-06, 06:43 AM   #3
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I would recommend APC why because I work for them and we are the leader in the UPS business.

Some things to remember. Most if not all UPSs have built in surge protection. The battery backup part of the UPS will allow you to save what ever your working on and shut down the PC before you drain the battery.

Not only is the battery part useful in the situation mentioned above, it's also very important when you encounter a brown out. A brown out is a decrease in voltage over any time longer then a couple seconds. If you notice your lights flicker then this is a brownout.

Also most UPSs have auto sensing transformers to boost or trim this these brown outs without having to switch to their batteries.

FYI brownouts are the number one reason why electronic equipment is damaged, not surges and spikes. Your basic surge only protectors can not and will not protect you from these types of electrical issues.

You say you wish to only protect your PC and LCD and not your other peripherals. This is fine for the UPS side of things but leaves you unprotected from surges and spikes that can and will enter your home.

More important then any surge/UPS system is the electrical system it's plugged into. If it's not grounded and bounded correctly throw any surge protection from a UPS/Surge out the window.

UPS come in square wave output, better UPS come in sign wave output. Both are great for computer equipment or anything that uses a switched mode power supply. Sign wave UPSs usually have more features and can be used with non standard equipment (other then PC equipment)

As far as software that comes with any UPS, I don't use any of it and I have access to some really cool stuff. If you leave your PC on and it will be untended then yes, you may want to consider using the stuff built into windows itself to simply shut down the PC when the batteries in the UPS get to a certain level. If you never leave your PC untended, then don't waste your time with any UPS vendors software.

Again, a UPS will protect you from loss of power and brownouts. It can only protect you from surges when you completely cover everything that is connected to your PC including telephone and network lines.

Even svideo out to a separate TV will need surge protection on the other TV and it's cable line. But that is a whole other thread if anyone is interested in grounding and bonding of your electrical system including cable, antenna and telephone. Not to mention surges that can be induced onto data lines......

One last thing. NEVER PLUG A SURGE PROTECTOR INTO A UPS THAT PRODUCES A SQUAREWAVE OUTPUT VERY BAD FOR YOUR EQUIPMENT IF IT GOES TO BATTERY
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Old 05-05-06, 06:45 AM   #4
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I personally use a Belkin 1500VA UPS to protect my babies at home. Check out the details HERE.
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One last thing. NEVER PLUG A SURGE PROTECTOR INTO A UPS THAT PRODUCES A SQUAREWAVE OUTPUT VERY BAD FOR YOUR EQUIPMENT IF IT GOES TO BATTERY
ive always know there was a reason for not doing that but now i know why....
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ive always know there was a reason for not doing that but now i know why....
The filtering in the surge protector will drastically change the output clamp filter on the UPS, when connected to a square wave UPS system.

Instead of 120VAC RMS on Battery you get 190VAC RMS on Battery. It's one of those things that don't always happen but when they do, you get some really cool fireworks if the equipment connected is not yours

Also cheap multimedia speakers with those 3rd word transformer blocks can cause the same issues
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Another vote for APC here. Using a Smart UPS 1000 right now.
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Another APC vote, it's all we use here at work, them and some lower-end belkins for other stuff.
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Thanks for all the responses guys. Some really helpfull information here. I'll do a little more research and then make a decision.
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I have some BB cards that are burning a hole in my pocket, so I figured maybe I would buy one from them. Any ideas about this 1? http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1122654249041

They also have another one thats a little more powerfull but I'm not sure if they extra power is necessary.

Also these are available.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....6&type=product

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....3&type=product
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Question for the APC guy.

My Smart UPS 1000 has a serial connection. Is there a converter I can use so that it can be monitored via USB on future PCs that won't have a serial connector on the board? Thanks
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I checked with the guys in tech sup. We offer nothing but you can use one of the usb to serial adapters then our cable.

Just remember our serial cable is proprietary to our products
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