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Old 05-08-06, 08:56 PM   #13
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with my 6600GT i get 60 fps consistantly at 1280x1024 in WoW (emulated with wine) you got a problem somewere
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Old 05-08-06, 09:00 PM   #14
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El_Presidente, the problem that you reported looks different than this issue. When you ran SpecViewPerf, your results between different driver versions were roughly the same, and you have a different videocard than is discussed in this thread.

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Old 05-09-06, 05:06 AM   #15
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with my 6600GT i get 60 fps consistantly at 1280x1024 in WoW (emulated with wine) you got a problem somewere
Ya think?

Maybe you can share some details about your config?

BTW, using the older driver didn't make a difference, at least not as far as FPS.
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Old 05-09-06, 06:07 AM   #16
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with my 6600GT i get 60 fps consistantly at 1280x1024 in WoW (emulated with wine) you got a problem somewere
I played wow on one computer for ages, xp2200, gf6800, then took a break for a while, now I'm sitting on a 2.5ghz dual core amd64, 7800GT, and I'm getting waaay worse performance than I had before.

Unfortunatly I can't test old drivers (they dont work with my configuration, dunno if it's the pcie or the 64bit, but they dont work) and wow patches has changed aswell so I cant make any scientific tests/have any proof that isn't related to nvidia at all. But I do get absolutly horrible performance on my new system compared to my old :/ (and it defenatly doesn't affect cpu/io/memory tasks).
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Old 05-10-06, 05:59 PM   #17
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Well my wow framerate seems to have improved, though I changed quite a few variables including compiler, kernel, and Wine build config.

I'm now running a 2.6.17-rc3 kernel with PREEMPT, build with gcc 3.4.6 (previous compiler was gcc 3.3.3). Wine has also been configured with:

--disable-win16
--disable-debug
--disable-trace

when previously it was not but I disabled all debug message output via $WINEDEBUG. I also passed some compiler optimizations, like -O3 and -march=pentium4 via $CFLAGS during the wine build.

I've seen framerates anywhere from 20 to 100+, with most eyecandy on, at 1280x1024 with the 8756 drivers. An interesting point to make too is that the FPS jumps from 5 to 20 frames higher when the UI is not displayed (i.e., ALT-Z is pressed), which I think is nifty.... why a UI would chop 5-20 frames off the rate is beyond me.

/shrug


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Old 05-10-06, 07:22 PM   #18
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Well my wow framerate seems to have improved, though I changed quite a few variables including compiler, kernel, and Wine build config.

I'm now running a 2.6.17-rc3 kernel with PREEMPT, build with gcc 3.4.6 (previous compiler was gcc 3.3.3). Wine has also been configured with:

--disable-win16
--disable-debug
--disable-trace

when previously it was not but I disabled all debug message output via $WINEDEBUG. I also passed some compiler optimizations, like -O3 and -march=pentium4 via $CFLAGS during the wine build.

I've seen framerates anywhere from 20 to 100+, with most eyecandy on, at 1280x1024 with the 8756 drivers. An interesting point to make too is that the FPS jumps from 5 to 20 frames higher when the UI is not displayed (i.e., ALT-Z is pressed), which I think is nifty.... why a UI would chop 5-20 frames off the rate is beyond me.

/shrug


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Remember that Wine is merely a translation layer and cannot translate all features to the hardware. Not to mention even if it does translate them correctly not all features are perfoming the same. If the UI is rendered with some specific function that isn't quite easy to translate to the native driver it might end up being done mostly by software routines. Due to the nature of Wine a single feature can easily hamper the game to a crawl.

Either way, if you want to play Wow on linux I would suggest you try out the more game oriented cedega.
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Old 05-11-06, 08:56 AM   #19
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This may be a kernel issue. Anyone who has nice performance please post your kernel version.

So far all bad performance reports are related to 2.6.16...

please read this article to see how terrible it is: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...item=439&num=1

look at the fpses between low quality and high quality in Doom 3. No difference! This is same symptom here! The worse is, I have almost same fpses in different resolutions, even in 640X480!

This is nothing to do with nvidia linux dirver. I've already tested 8178 and 8756, same result.
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Old 05-11-06, 09:50 AM   #20
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Either way, if you want to play Wow on linux I would suggest you try out the more game oriented cedega.

There's nothing wrong with playing WoW through Wine. Wine has come a *very* long way in terms of gaming performance. D3D 9 is almost finished, and every release plays better.

I've had my friend start WoW and run his 6800 GT on Windows under OpenGL, then switch over to Linux (87xx driver) under OpenGL and he gets the same performance on each OS. There might be some loss of performance in the new 87xx driver, but I haven't seen it.
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Old 05-11-06, 05:23 PM   #21
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So the AGP 7800GS is supported with the Nvidia Linux drivers?

I thought they had to update the drivers to work with the newer cards. The release notes for 1.0-8756 don't mention the 7800GS.
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Old 05-11-06, 08:06 PM   #22
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Yes, the 7800GS is supported in 1.0-8756. Please see:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html
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Old 05-11-06, 11:06 PM   #23
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look at the fpses between low quality and high quality in Doom 3. No difference! This is same symptom here! The worse is, I have almost same fpses in different resolutions, even in 640X480!
I've seen this too, but only in wow. very little FPS difference between high and low graphics settings (both those done in-game and driver settings with nvidia-settings). I haven't tried a resolution other than 1280x1024 (my native) though.

And this is kernel 2.6.17-rc3.
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Old 05-11-06, 11:14 PM   #24
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Remember that Wine is merely a translation layer and cannot translate all features to the hardware. Not to mention even if it does translate them correctly not all features are perfoming the same. If the UI is rendered with some specific function that isn't quite easy to translate to the native driver it might end up being done mostly by software routines. Due to the nature of Wine a single feature can easily hamper the game to a crawl.
Wine is the API translation layer, yes, translating from the Windows API to Linux and back again. However, the rendering is OpenGL and WoW is being run in OpenGL mode (via the -opengl flag), and we have native OpenGL libs distributed by NVidia. So either Blizzard's OpenGL implementation is fubar, or Wine's is fubar, or NVidia's is fubar.

We can probably rule out NVidia, though, under the assumption they know whet they're doing. ;-)

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Either way, if you want to play Wow on linux I would suggest you try out the more game oriented cedega.
Considered it but I have a tendancy to support and promote free software whenever possible and have been with Wine for years. I'd rather build an SLI system first anyway.
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