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Old 09-12-06, 04:50 AM   #1
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Hi,

I'm gonna to buy a new computer based on a Linux (Debian) system.

My current graphic card is the GeForce2 Ti, which fulfills my needs perfecly.

Which actual NVIDIA graphic card would you recommed, particularly with regard to the point, when this card will probalbly become a legacy card?

I'm plannig to buy a GeForce4 MX 460, is this a good choice?

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Old 09-12-06, 06:21 AM   #2
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Hi,

I would not recommend a GF4MX powered card, its design is very old (basically a GF2), it does not support shader-programs (which will be maybe useful for subpixel-antialiasing later) and because its so old, it may become a legacy card soon.

I would recommend a (non turbo-cache) 6200 - they are based on a quite "modern" design, are quite new (-> no legacy fear) and are really cheap.

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Old 09-12-06, 06:29 AM   #3
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Don't do it! The GeForce4MX cards are just tarted-up GeForce2MX cards, so you actually be downgrading.

I went from a GeForce2MX to a GeForceFX5200. This was only slightly better, but was really hobbled by the slow memory and narrow data-bus.

The GeForceFX5700LE that I then bought seems to have been a much better card, even letting me game at 1600x1200 res on some older games.

Avoid anything that uses Turbo Cache - These cards can utilise System RAM to suppliment their onboard RAM. The problem with this is that the CPU cannot access the RAM while the graphics card is accessing it, and can in effect half the memory bandwidth of your CPU.



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Old 09-12-06, 07:04 AM   #4
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Thank you both, Cambo and Clemens, so you would recommend rather somthing like a GeForce 6200, non turbo-cache. I'm a littel bit confused, there are two versions around, I think you mean this one:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce6200_agp.html

(AGP 8X/PCI Express, GeForce 6200 0x00F3 in the readme file)

and not this one

http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce6200_pci

(GeForce 6200 0x014F in the readme file)

Is this right or vice versa?

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Old 09-12-06, 08:25 AM   #5
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Depends what type of motherboard you are getting for your system. The PCI card you linked to is PCI-Express, and uses Turbo Cache (best avoided). PCI-Express is the latest type of connector for graphics cards, giving higher data rates than AGP.

If you do go for PCI-Express, I would suggest going for a 7300 - http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_7300.html

There's also the 7600, which has versions using AGP, and are quite reasonably priced.

Bear in mind that the nVidia website doesn't give all the models available. Check out nV News, Guru of 3D ( http://www.guru3d.com/ ), and the various other websites around.



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Old 09-12-06, 11:53 AM   #6
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What type of cpu are you currently using? If your cpu is a relatively slow one, the cpu can be a bottleneck for the gpu. Which could result in the new gpu performing at the same level or even worse than your current one.

If you are using lets say a AthlonXP 2000+ or P4 2GHz then a geforce 6200 (non-TC and if possible using 128bit memory) is a decent card.
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Old 09-12-06, 02:09 PM   #7
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Currently I'm using a P4 1,9GHz, but my new cpu will be an Athlon 64 X2 3800+...
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Old 09-12-06, 02:22 PM   #8
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When you buy a new system ofcourse buy a PCI-Express card. The type of card you buy (atleast a 6200 non-TC) depends a lot on what you want to do using it. If you don't game that 6200 non-TC is fine. The next level after it which can be used for a gaming is a 6600GT/7600GS or perhaps a 7600GT. Cards after this are way more expensive.
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Old 09-12-06, 04:09 PM   #9
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I'm plannig to buy a GeForce4 MX 460, is this a good choice?

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It depends on what are you doing. If you use 2D graphics and video, at present the best is geforce4 mx or FX5200. These cards are the last which use hardware video overlay, later chips use 2D blitting only. As far as I read changelog and readme of Nvidia Linux driver, 2D and video development stopped in year 2002, at geforce 4 mx when XvMC hardware acceleration of mpeg-2 was added. So for the lowest price of geforce 4 mx you get all 2D and video features. Later models has higher price but offer the same features as geforce 4 mx. Purevideo, MPEG-4 acceleration, high quality deinterlacing known from geforce6 are not supported in Nvidia driver so there is no sense to pay additional money for nothing.

This is not true that geforce 4 mx will be legacy soon. At present Nvidia Linux driver supports all geforce chips since geforce 2 mx.

If you neeed 3D there is some improvement in later models and OpenGL is the same high quality as in Windows.

It would be nice to see someday that 2D and video support is so highly developed as 3D. It looks the Nvidia Linux team is so tiny that they can only manage bugfixing and OpenGL development which is priority. Hope someday Nvidia Linux driver team will be bigger so there will be power enough to add more features to 2D and video. (mpeg-1,h263,mpeg-4, deinterlacing, console framebuffer compability with X driver, trapezoid support for X)

It is very hard to investigate what binary driver keeps inside so some of these texts may be wrong. If someone knows better how features really look let me know.
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Old 09-13-06, 04:54 AM   #10
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When you buy a new system ofcourse buy a PCI-Express card. The type of card you buy (atleast a 6200 non-TC) depends a lot on what you want to do using it. If you don't game that 6200 non-TC is fine. The next level after it which can be used for a gaming is a 6600GT/7600GS or perhaps a 7600GT. Cards after this are way more expensive.

Thank you! I think, I will go for a non-turbo-cached 7600 GS or GT.

It seems, that they can be used on both bus systems AGP 8X and PCI Express:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/7_series_techspecs.html

Right?

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Old 09-13-06, 05:27 AM   #11
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Thank you! I think, I will go for a non-turbo-cached 7600 GS or GT.

It seems, that they can be used on both bus systems AGP 8X and PCI Express:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/7_series_techspecs.html

Right?

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You should really buy a PCI-E motherboard, AGP is really dead although it can work. (AGP motherboards are becoming rare, AGP cards are more expensive than PCI-E cards because they need bridge chips and further there aren't much Geforce7 AGP boards)
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