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Old 10-07-06, 12:16 PM   #13
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I don't like seeing percentages when the numbers are so low. Like when ATI releases drivers and the release notes claim a 55% increase in game X at 1600 x 1200 with 6xaa / 16x af... what kills me is when 55% = 4 or 5 FPS thats just LAME!!!!!!

I see your excitment...realizing that the game MIGHT be CPU dependant but come on man if you are using a 939 with DDR 1 system and have to fork out $200 for a decent conroe motherboard, another $525 for the e6700 chip and another $400 for decent 2GB of DDR 2 then I sure as hell better see more of an increase than 5 fps...I almost died laughing when you noted it to be 55.6% increase over 4800, I'm sorry but 14 fps still sucks LOL.

4400+ @2.3Ghz = 8fps
4800+ @2.4Ghz = 9fps (~12.5%+ over 4400@2.3)
E6700 @2.7Ghz = 14fps ! (55.6% + over 4800+)

Wow I'm sold on a conroe time to sell my 3Ghz overclocked X2 3800 and blow $1100 to gain 2 or 3 more FPS... W00000t!
I see your point & i'm not here promoting for the Conore , otherwise i'd post this thread in the CPU section .. its all about benchmark results.

2) like what Tygerwoody said : 55% difference is 55% .. sole framerate numbers are not the issue here unless the reader is some kind of a n00b who dont understand simple math.
now if i say - for another game - that a 4800+ gets 25fps & the Conore gets 39fps would that make you or the reader happy ?? because its the same percentage afterall.
what matters though .. at the end of the day the guy with the E6700 had better experiance in BFMEII than the guy with the 4800+ (i.e. higher minimum & avarage framerate).

3) As for upgrading .. well you have to go DDRII sooner or later .. its the future. both AM2 & Intel Core 2 chipsets requires it so at least you're not wasting money by getting those.

4) Those are stock numbers & everyone here knows that the Conore is a hell of an overclocker (& much better than the X2s at that) .. so with a little o/cing you could achieve 15fps+ with no problems.

so let me stress again that from a *technical standpoint* this is a very nice increase in performance for a CPU dependent game.
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Old 10-07-06, 12:39 PM   #14
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You are crazy if you dont think that is a noticable improvement. 55% is still 55% no mater how many ways you cut it. And your logic is thoroughly flawed by saying you "blow $1100" on the system. So if I have a 500 dollar video card and I sell it... then buy a 600 dollar video card is that blowing 600 dollars? I highly doubt you would say that. Bottom line is that the conroe system costs about a grand... you a right. However, if you were to build an Athlon system to try to get remotely close to those scores you will be spending ALOT more money on some FX chip(and then if you bring overclocking into the scenario those Conroe chips overclock WAY WAY better). I'd say it was money well spent.


Nice scores btw.

My point was if you already own the 4800+ system, which was being compared. If you are building a new system, of course Conroe is the way to go. My argument is that I don't find conroe worth the cost of the upgrade right now for gamers. There is little benefit in most games at high resolutions and a from 9 - 14 FPS at that resolution tells me that a new GPU will gain you a helluvalot more than dumping an existing 4800+ system for a conroe system.

If someone has an existing AMD dual core system - sit on it, buy the fastest GPU you can afford (for gamers anyways). Gaming, at this point, is still GPU limited. Benchmarks at 640 to show which CPU is faster are moot unless you game at 640.
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Old 10-07-06, 12:43 PM   #15
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I see your point & i'm not here promoting for the Conore , otherwise i'd post this thread in the CPU section .. its all about benchmark results.

2) like what Tygerwoody said : 55% difference is 55% .. sole framerate numbers are not the issue here unless the reader is some kind of a n00b who dont understand simple math.
now if i say - for another game - that a 4800+ gets 25fps & the Conore gets 39fps would that make you or the reader happy ?? because its the same percentage afterall.
what matters though .. at the end of the day the guy with the E6700 had better experiance in BFMEII than the guy with the 4800+ (i.e. higher minimum & avarage framerate).

3) As for upgrading .. well you have to go DDRII sooner or later .. its the future. both AM2 & Intel Core 2 chipsets requires it so at least you're not wasting money by getting those.

4) Those are stock numbers & everyone here knows that the Conore is a hell of an overclocker (& much better than the X2s at that) .. so with a little o/cing you could achieve 15fps+ with no problems.

so let me stress again that from a *technical standpoint* this is a very nice increase in performance for a CPU dependent game.
I wasn't trying to be a dick, my post above just explains my sentiments a bit more. I just hate seeing people dumping perfectly good AMD systems for conroe when a faster GPU is money better spent still. My current rig is competing with conroe / 7800 GTX SLI / 7900 GTX SLI / Crossfire rigs in 3dmark 06 and 05. My x2 3800 is running at 3 Ghz with my memory running DDR500 2.5-3-6-2. I managed 9300 in 3dmark 06 and 14,600 in 3dmark 05 - with an X2 and a 7950 gx2.

A well tuned X2 system can hold it's own with conroe in high res gaming since the GPU is still the bottleneck.
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I wasn't trying to be a dick, my post above just explains my sentiments a bit more. I just hate seeing people dumping perfectly good AMD systems for conroe when a faster GPU is money better spent still.
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A well tuned X2 system can hold it's own with conroe in high res gaming since the GPU is still the bottleneck.
& i didnt say otherwise
i didnt ask people to dump their AMD systems nor said the Conore pwns the X2 in GPU dependent games. actually i hardly see a difference in GPU dpenedent situations.
thats why i stressed in the title CPU benchmark.

i hope people who read this thread understand that its simply a good realtime benchmark to see how your CPU compares to other ones because seriously i had enough testing with synthetic benchamrks & its time for the real thing.
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