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Old 11-30-06, 04:42 PM   #37
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Old 11-30-06, 05:00 PM   #38
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I think they just mean that its the first board with multi sockets designed for the the desktop, not server or workstation.
Define "desktop" and differentiate it from "workstation". Especially considering that this "desktop" is much more power hungry than most workstations out there (and hotter, and louder, and (much) bigger, and...)...

The only real disadvantage I see for 51xx Xeon right now is the need for those damn FB-DIMMs, which push the price up for almost no reason at all (unless you're aiming at 16+ GB, in which case they seem to make some sense). And from a gaming point of view, the lack of SLI. Both of these things can be overcome with the QX6xxx, albeit at a price premium for the processor itself...

Dunno, I see 4x4 as a desperate move by AMD to grab some attention away from Core 2 Duo/Core 2 Quad ...
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Dunno, I see 4x4 as a desperate move by AMD to grab some attention away from Core 2 Duo/Core 2 Quad ...
Most peoples thoughts exactly.
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Old 11-30-06, 05:08 PM   #40
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AMD got slam dunked in the face, but once they pull out the new K8 processor what will Intel have?
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Old 11-30-06, 05:31 PM   #41
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meh. I don't think they should have released 4x4.
Socket AM2 wasn't really needed either in my opinion. Honestly, AMD need to get their new cpu out asap.
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Old 11-30-06, 05:59 PM   #42
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AMD got slam dunked in the face, but once they pull out the new K8 processor what will Intel have?
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=304

according to IDF 2006, die shrink, then a new arch in 2008.
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Old 11-30-06, 06:23 PM   #43
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Socket AM2 wasn't really needed either in my opinion. Honestly, AMD need to get their new cpu out asap.
Yea definetely shoulda skipped AM2 also.
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Old 11-30-06, 06:25 PM   #44
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Yea definetely shoulda skipped AM2 also.
Agreed. I don't know what they are thinking or if they thought that AM2 would battle with Conroe but ya. They got themselves in deep with this. They need to hurry up and get somethign good out fast.
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Agreed. I don't know what they are thinking or if they thought that AM2 would battle with Conroe but ya. They got themselves in deep with this. They need to hurry up and get somethign good out fast.
AM2 was probably more to support DDR2, since the market was moving towards that direction.
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Old 11-30-06, 06:50 PM   #46
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Also, it's interesting to note that the performance gap between four AMD cores and four Intel cores is noticeably smaller than the gap between the dual cores, despite the fact that these are still based on the old K8 cores. It seems to be more like 15% for quad cores versus the 20-40% we were seeing for duallies (IIRC). Maybe the new procs are just that little bit faster though. Mind you, I'm also throwing out any results that obviously don't scale properly to 4 cores because the 6800 beat everything else, so the Intels are still clearly the way to go for raw speed in one or two threads.

Also, according to the FiringSquad article, it's actually still cheaper to buy 4x4 than a QX6700, so I don't know where the pricing complaints are coming from. Yes, the QX6700 is going to outperform it, but apparently you can get two FX-70's plus mobo for less than the QX processor itself.

Please commence (probably well-deserved) AMD fanboy accusations.
The gap in performance difference is mainly caused by the increased clock speed of Athlon64 FX. Prior to FX74, the fastest AMD processor was only clocked at 2.8ghz, and most website comparisons were made with FX62 Vs. E6700. In the case of quad, QX6700 is still clocked at 2.67ghz, but FX was bumped up by 200mhz. A fair test would be to OC Kentsfield to 3ghz, or downclock FX to 2.7ish ghz.

4X4 with FX72 and FX74 is cheaper, but chances are, you'll need a bigbutt PSU (especially if you're going SLI), and definitely a eATX case, and who knows how much that ASUS 4X4 mobo is going to cost, considering Asus is willing to sell a 680i mobo with bundled software for well over 300 USD. Don't forget ASUS is the only manufacture that makes 4X4 mobo right now, monopoly much??

Killer part for any gamer is 4X4 is slower than the same speed Athlon64 X2s, kentsfield is not.
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AM2 was probably more to support DDR2, since the market was moving towards that direction.
Ya I can understand that. I wish they would come out with something decent now though.
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The performance of DDR2 for AMD 64 processors doesn't really warrant its use since on-die memory controller is already so efficient.

I'm just confused on this decision from AMD. I guess AMD didn't see what Intel had up its sleeves, which makes the FX-70 series move look so desparate to me.
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