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Old 08-27-07, 11:35 AM   #97
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Languages I am fluent in:
SQL/T-SQL,
Microfocus COBOL, Fujitsu PowerCOBOL
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PHP, ASP/VBScript/VB6,
HTML/JS/DHTML/CSS/SSI

.NET Languages:
VB, C#, COBOL(scary eh? yeah I don't like it).
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Currently working in a heavy .NET 2.0 & 1.1 environment, but at home I do mostly PHP & some ASP.NET AJAX work. Slowly getting to know the new stuff in .NET 3.0.
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That might be a slight exaggeration. It's true that COBOL is still being used, and fairly heavily in some areas, but nobody's writing new stuff in it AFAIK. They're just adding on to legacy apps that they don't want to have to rewrite. I have a friend who is trying to make a COBOL backend work with a web app. Lots of fun.

Oh, and I did Prolog in school, but I'm not a huge fan of academic languages (Smalltalk...shudder). We did ML too, and although they were both interesting (and ML was a great way to brush up on my recursive thinking) I'm not in a huge hurry to use them again.
Yeah, apparently COBOL is king of business-based programming, especially in databasing. I actually like C++ and Java is ok, but COBOL is terrible. I had more trouble out of that class last semester than any other.
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Yeah, apparently COBOL is king of business-based programming, especially in databasing. I actually like C++ and Java is ok, but COBOL is terrible. I had more trouble out of that class last semester than any other.
Was* king. The only reason it is still around is because the people that manage the dev's at places that run Big-Iron mainframes were once COBOL programmers and aren't comfortable with newer technologies. When those old programmers fall out of circulation (retirement, etc.), say good bye to those systems.

With server-client technology becoming the new thing more modern object-oriented languages are being put to use, of course COBOL did get object-orientation but it is CRAP!
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.NET Languages:
VB, C#, COBOL(scary eh? yeah I don't like it).
ASP, ASP AJAX

Currently working in a heavy .NET 2.0 & 1.1 environment, but at home I do mostly PHP & some ASP.NET AJAX work. Slowly getting to know the new stuff in .NET 3.0.
wasnt aware COBOL ran on the .net runtimes...
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Old 09-07-07, 11:14 PM   #101
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The bottom line is JAVA sucks...but don't get me wrong...it's good to know it. It's just my opinion.
please, do enlighten me on why java sucks? i realize its just your opinion, but what are your reasons?
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Java is great I think, I don't see any problems/flaws/issues with it. Same thing for C++.
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Old 09-08-07, 07:38 PM   #103
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Yeah Java sucks. Java is only good for security-aware applications such as e-commerce, if you want your application to be runnable on virtually any modern platform without having to recompile or port it - with near-native performance, of if you just don't want to worry about memory management or low-level exception handling. :-)

IMO C++, on the other hand, is a bit different player. It brings the horror of object constructors and destructors, written in messy C-like syntax which happily lets you to seriously hurt yourself. Basically, I think, C++ combines the worst of OO and C, creating something really unique.

Personally I have good relationship with Java. I won't touch it, and Java keeps out of my eyes. See, I'm not fully OO-compatible yet, but I'm working my way there. I prefer languages such as C, but having to work with GTK+ and GLib have made me realise that objects are actually quite useful -- in certain places. (And I know, GLib doesn't provide real objects.)
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I do programming for living, and i would recommend Visual Studio 2005. Sometimes I have to jump from mainframe (COBOL) to VS 2005 and back, it makes you think...
Have you used VS 2003 in your professional projects and had to migrate them to VS 2005? If so, have you encountered any problems along the way?
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Have you used VS 2003 in your professional projects and had to migrate them to VS 2005? If so, have you encountered any problems along the way?
In my work, we were migrating our whole application (about 200 separate projects) from 2003 to 2005 recently and it went quite well. The only "problem" is that the VS 2005 is using a newer compiler which performs some better run-time checks and therefore the application was initially more unstable than when it was compiled in 2003 . We discovered a lot of bugs thanks to this .

But seriously... problems with this migration are nothing in comparison with the VS 6.0 -> VS 2003 migration..
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But seriously... problems with this migration are nothing in comparison with the VS 6.0 -> VS 2003 migration..
I'll second that. I don't do any WinForms dev, mostly ASP.NET and some Windows Services or Console. It really paid to wait for VS2005 while Microsoft listened to developers and went back to the Web Project model by baking that into SP1. We just recently went to VS2005 from VS2003 where I work.

I'm really liking what I see with VS 2008 though,...sounds like it is still on track to be released this coming February.
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... or low-level exception handling. :-)

IMO C++, on the other hand, is a bit different player. It brings the horror of object constructors [b]and[/b) destructors, written in messy C-like syntax which happily lets you to seriously hurt yourself. Basically, I think, C++ combines the worst of OO and C, creating something really unique.

true, java does not force *low-level* exception handling since it is quite a high level language, but some people get annoyed with java's checked exception scheme.

there is nothing horrific about constructors (java has 'em as well you know), or destructors (i wish java had 'em instead of the awful Finalize() which does not work most of the time)
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But seriously... problems with this migration are nothing in comparison with the VS 6.0 -> VS 2003 migration..
I hear ya there, I've done several VB 6.0 to 2002/3/5 and it sucked. Had to completely rewrite the apps. 2008 is looking very nice though, if MS continues taking all these great ideas and placing it into the framework, the job of developing apps will be that much faster, and you focus more on advanced features then grunt code jockeying.
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