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Old 01-13-07, 05:37 AM   #49
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Default Re: Microsoft: HD-DVD might be "next Betamax"

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Wow thank for the news.

96% is really very impressive, that mean Blu-ray was declared winner of HD format in Japan as HD-DVD have only just small 4% of marketshare so that mean HD-DVD is dead in Japan.

I spend the last 3 days researched to find out what the UK marketshare of VHS and Betamax was back in early day and the current US marketshare of HD-DVD and Blu-ray.

In 1980 Betamax had ruled the whole UK market long before VHS came then Betamax's marketshare started to declined rapid every month when VHS came on sale and in 1983 VHS captured 70% of UK market while Betamax held 30% but one year on in 1984 VHS increased the marketshare to 75% and Betamax marketshare declined to 25%. In 1985 all retailers recognised there are huge market for VHS as Betamax marketshare still continued to declined rapid below 20% and UK retailers declared VHS the winner of VCR format and then all Betamax VCRs was sold at big discounts and vanished from the face of UK high street stores forever, in 1986 Betamax marketshare was declined very fast to 7.5% as VHS had 92.5% of UK market.

I checked many websites for US sales rank for both HD-DVD and Blu-ray, they all the same. According to DVD Empire, this month Blu-ray accounted 57.84% and HD-DVD had 42.16%. It was a huge change since last year when HD-DVD had 59.66% and Blu-ray accounted 40.34% of US marketshare. HD-DVD lost 17.5% of share now and it still continue to decline, cheap HD-DVD players like $199 HD-DVD addon for Xbox 360 really do not help boost HD-DVD. If HD-DVD continue to decline throughout to end of 2007 then Blu-ray format could account over 70% of US market.
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Old 01-13-07, 07:28 AM   #50
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Blu Ray will probably come out on top by the end of 2007

But HD-FVD will win
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Old 01-13-07, 02:15 PM   #51
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Blu Ray will probably come out on top by the end of 2007

But HD-FVD will win

By end of 2007 Hd-dvd supporters will be selling their Obsolete equipment in Ebay... hehe it will be a lot of fun , to see the faces of the "experts" who where saying that BR will fail . Microsoft will have no choice but to support bluray if they ever want to jump in a real High definition player.
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Old 01-13-07, 02:38 PM   #52
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By end of 2007 Hd-dvd supporters will be selling their Obsolete equipment in Ebay... hehe it will be a lot of fun , to see the faces of the "experts" who where saying that BR will fail . Microsoft will have no choice but to support bluray if they ever want to jump in a real High definition player.
lol...you are so far out no even baby jesus can save you.
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Old 01-13-07, 03:57 PM   #53
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By end of 2007 blu-ray supporters will be selling their Obsolete equipment in Ebay... hehe it will be a lot of fun , to see the faces of the "experts" who where saying that hd-dvd will fail . Sony will have no choice but to support hd-dvd if they ever want to jump in a real High definition player.
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Old 01-13-07, 04:23 PM   #54
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You'd think blu-ray would come on top since it has slightly better specs but to do so I think they need to drop the prices of the players. Right now the price of the players is probably a big stumbling block. Edit: These are the specs I'm talking about.

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Old 01-13-07, 07:20 PM   #55
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Why isn't Dolby TrueHD on there?
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Old 01-13-07, 07:23 PM   #56
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I don't know. I just got the chart from Wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hd-dvd

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray

(same chart on both though).
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Old 01-13-07, 07:29 PM   #57
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DUH! "Linear PCM/MLP (TRUE HD)"

Though why it says it's only 2 channel, I haven't the slightest. Whatev.

And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't 1080p at 30 fps and 24 fps while 1080i is at 60fps?
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Old 01-13-07, 07:40 PM   #58
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This is what this link says:

http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/glossary.php

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1080i - HDTV format of 1080 interlaced visible lines of 1920 total pixels each in 16:9 aspect ratio. 1080i is per frame (540 lines x two fields) at 30 fps, and the HD format is commonly used since 1998. See DTV.

1080p - HDTV format of 1080 progressive visible lines of 1920 total pixels each in 16:9 aspect ratio. 1080p is per frame at either 24fps or 30 fps. 1080p/60fps is not one of the 18 ATSC formats but new displays introduced since 2005 are able to display in that format. 1080p/24fps should be ideal for the transfer and broadcast of 24 fps film-based material, but it is not used at the present broadcasting. However, should it be used, objectionable flicker would require the 1080p/24fps to be converted to either progressive 1080p/60 fps or interlaced 1080i/30fps (60 fields per second).

If the signal were to be converted to the higher 1080p/60fps, it would also require a CRT based video projector with a fast raster (67.5kHz, double the 33.75kHz of 1080i/30fps) to been able to synchronize to the signal and display it as 60pfs. The same (fast raster) requirement would apply if the 1080p/60fps were obtained from line doubling a 1080i/30fps broadcast program using a scaler/line doubler processor. Some fixed pixel displays released on the first generation/s of 1080p HDTVs capable of displaying 1080x1920 are not actually able to ‘accept’ a 1080p/60fps signal from an external source. In 2006, such source was introduced, Blu-ray hi-def DVD.
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The thing that gets me about the whole debate is that other than maximum disc space and data transfer rate, when it comes to movies HD-DVD and BlueRay will look and sound exactly the same. The big difference is the price. If there is one thing analysts on both sides of the fence can agree on, it is that the battle so far has been a flop and neither side really has sold much of anything.
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Porn chooses HD-DVD, threfore HD-DVD win!
No it will not, Aaron McKenna did wrong thing at adult expo made a quick poll with 12 companies here. Do you think the porn industry made up of 12 studios? No it made up by hundreds of studios, the complete list of exhibtors at adult expo are here counted about 330 studios but that not all, I found another listing of porn studios worldwide here. Aaron McKenna should polled every booths to get the full picture but cherry picked 12 out of 330 did not mean HD-DVD has won, all studios will monitor the US marketshare and NPD data to get the full picture. But I think it really do not matter for the porn industry because everything changed in the last 32 years. There was no Internet in the early day of VHS and Betamax. Then around 1997 lots of people have brand new DVD-ROM drive to watched movies and porns, last year porn industry had a revenue of $57 billion, it not all came from DVD, DVD had a revenue of $3 billion or 5%. But now DVD are not that popular anymore, it is replaced by broadband with everybody can either download porns from P2P free or buy online and download the contents for as little as $19 then burn it to a DVD rather than buy the same DVD from stores or mail order for $100. Same thing will do with HD porns, it already available on Internet, buy download porns and streamings from Internet had a revenue of more than $14 billion or 25%.

I dont think it will make a big impact on HD format no matter if either won because majority of people prefer to buy HD contents online and download it then burn to a Blu-ray disc on either PC Blu-ray burner drive or Blu-ray recorder for as little as $19, it save the studio a fortune not to make and master Blu-ray discs and print covers in the same way as Steam when I rather bought Half Life 2 contents online and download it then burn to DVD for lower cost than pay the full price for a DVD in the high street store.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195438,00.html
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